MP Combat

[Smash]

I know you can get tech as non host if you hot-join but I have never seen any free tech as a non host when I was in from the start.

you may be tempted when a host has 1 tech and you see a river and whale in your start,But chances are the world has good terrain also.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Smash
Of course its a huge advantage.Free starting techs are always blue.

I can't beleive some are still not restarting for host techs.About a million years ago Bird and I let Rah have bronze as a bunch of restarts was not going too well.One tech in the hands of a good player is pretty much the game.He blasted to Monarchy and never looked back.It doesn't seem like much but...let alone 3 or 4.

Read and try to comprehend the whole statement.
I think there's a trade off of sorts. Maybe not, but I don't think you can say with absolution that there isn't.
And yes, other players can get techs and settlers too; not just the host, so your outrage is even more amusing.

[rah]

"other players can get techs and settlers too"

AHHHH, you're talking about games lower than Deity.

In Deity, everyone always gets two settlers, and we've never seen a non-host get a tech. (we'll see about the earlier post)


DD, was that a deity game.

Short of seeing gold next to a river basin and 2 huts in the opening, i'd never agree to one freebie, never ever two

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by rah


DD, was that a deity game.

I don't remember - I'll have to check. I usually play deity, thus my name, but sometimes on the zone I'll play other settings.

Another thing I have seen happen as a non-host (and i will save if it happens again) is starting 3rd or worse on demographics for literacy. This would imply to me that someone other then the host has techs, although I have never verified it.

PS. I agree any free tech is HUGE (even if it is off of the Monarchy path) I'll even take warrior code - archers without having to go off the tech path are a nice luxury early in the game.

[rah]

"Another thing I have seen happen as a non-host (and i will save if it happens again) is starting 3rd or worse on demographics for literacy. "

My question on this one would be "Any AIs"


Rich
Yep even warrior code is cool when it's free and doesn't count against the increasing beaker counts.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Smash
I know you can get tech as non host if you hot-join but I have never seen any free tech as a non host when I was in from the start.

I know I didn't hot join. Slowwhand if you are out there - was our game king or deity - I know it was 2x1x. Oh well I'll check and let everyone know tomorrow.

Could there also be different versions of the game/patches that could cause this difference.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by rah


My question on this one would be "Any AIs"

I don't remember but its possible. By that question are you saying that if there is an AI in a MP game, non-hosts can get techs. And if the answer to that question is yes, are you saying only the AI and host can get techs or does the mere fact that there is an AI, allow all players to get techs. Because that may be the issue. I'm pretty sure last nights game had AI's but I don't remember. Slowwhand Help!! Maybe I should change my name ot Alzheimer Dude

[rah]

Since we rarely add an AI in MP, I really don't know, I was just speculating. But that might have some impact. I've never played on the zone.

99% of our games are deity, no AIs. So that's all I can comment on with any authority.

Rich
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Everyday is a new day.

[Smash]

if you have some ais in a game they can get techs to start.Just not humans.I've never gotten a tech as non host at any level although not many games outside deity.I found this out when I tryed to "bank" some non-host techs savs for saving time starting but when I checked,some other civs got techs so that plan was tossed.

[markusf]

when you have less then 5 cities on diety you get a massive defence bonus against barbs

[Deity Dude]

The game in question was 2x1x King. 2 humans and 3 ai's (I believe - i cant tell this from the save). I was American and started with pottery as non-host. I have the save if anyone is interested. I started from the beginning (i.e. no hot-join). Slowwhand was Roman host and started with no techs. In addition, I started with an extra settler also.

[rah]

Originally posted by markusf
when you have less then 5 cities on diety you get a massive defence bonus against barbs

From our experimenting, we found that to be the case up to two cities only. Hmmmmmmm.

Rich
Back to the drawing board

[Smash]

I thought it was 3

It doesn't always hold true on the mac version at least.Finbar can attest to that.

DD-thats new to me.Never seen it.Was it a random start or some type of pre-saved start?Strange.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Smash
I thought it was 3

It doesn't always hold true on the mac version at least.Finbar can attest to that.

Can I ever. There's no truly safe haven anywhere in the Mac version of the game. Unlike the PC version, the barbs can and will take your capital when it's your first and only city. Doesn't happen every time - which is to say, the barbs will often hurl onslaughts against a single warrior defence and lose - but it happens often enough to be just a tad irritating.

[Rasputin]

i have been attacked by barbs when only having 2 citys in MP deity level.. and the capital was hte first they attacked leaving me in a desperate and unwinnable position