2001 Players Tourney

[Kuja]

yes, i have played such games and i must say they are a complete waste of time. they are probably the most lobsided game you can think up. you guys fool yourselves into thinking it's the only way to play, when it is merely a race to the happy wonders and whoever doesn't get them automatically loses (or should at least if you have any skill)

[drake]

I think if we had it eyes way it would be renamed the ADD tournament.

[SmartFart]

I've won games without any happy wonders and lost some with both MC and JSB.
This is pointless. If I follow your logic,I can say whoever wins the race for war wonders wins on king x2x2,game which boring me to death.
Drop it,man. I am not here to argue. Just wanted to correct your statement about deity games which lasts 2 months.

[drake]

A bit off topic, but what the heck is your avatar smart fart? It looks like a steaming pile of crap

[Kuja]

well you are right, if you only get happy wonders and your opponent gets all the others, you will lose. but my point was that in a deity game on 1x1x, the happy wonders throw the whole balance of the game out the window. at least on 2x2x there is no wonder that can do that except for maybe leos.

[SmartFart]

Originally posted by drake
A bit off topic, but what the heck is your avatar smart fart? It looks like a steaming pile of crap

lol@Drake

It's a demon boil of mindworms from SMAC.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

Drake if I get MC, JB, and HG on Deity, you will get your ass kicked. I'll give you every single other wonder even. You can have all three of those on King and you still might not win. Just as you can have leos and Sun Tzu and you're still not going to win. Ever wonder why there are so many good 1x1x players and so very few great 2x2x players?

[SuperSneak]

I sure hope you have a sense of humor buried under all that amazing megalomania.
And I thought I was the most pompous ass around here!

What is this infatuation with "my Civ is bigger than yours"?

Bizarre.

[Robert]

melancholy

Hi Robert. Long time no see. Cavebear,please put this guy on the list.
I haven't seen you online perhaps a year or something. Did you changed your ICQ#?
If you haven't played all this time you'll be surprised how many new tricks and strategies are developed.
See you in the tourney.

Last times I tried to play, for some reason I couldn't get a good working game for weeks, every time I played one or two sessions and then the other people didn't show up anymore. And then one diplo alike kind of game seemed to work, but after a few good sessions it failed again and I kinda got frustrated about it.

And I became a freelancer thus didn't got much time anymore to play. In fact I'm still a freelancer, but I think I'll be able to play fridays and saturday night again.

My ICQ is still the same, I didn't use it for months, but I've re-installed it to be completely ready for civ-games again ! 5460666 (still know it by heart )

Yeah, I found out that you guys discovered how to play simultaniously ! Great job ! Pherhaps I need to practice a little before the real tourney starts. Of course there are new tricks, but civing is like biking, if you ever learned it you'll never forget it. It's now about 8 years ago that I learned how to civ thus......

Oh, I have to admit that I've played much CTP II as well, but for some reason (much) I don't like it as much as I love Civ. (in fact I came back here because of the civ III thingy)

And yes, I hope I can see you in the tourney !
If I'm correct I've played with cavebear a few games months ago, and kinda introduced him in the apolyton community (helped him how to register on this board) but I'm not sure, can you confirm cavebear ?

and uh..... the longer the game lasts, the better, deity 1x1x
And of course above all the diplo game ! Months after months with the same crew of people every weekend twice ! Heck, will we ever play a game like the legendary eurodip game ?

CyberShy

(You STILL remember my real name, Robert !! That's really awesome !)

Edit: removed tons of typo's and idiot spelling mistakes that would've really made me even more look silly

[drake]

Ever wonder why there are so many good 1x1x players and so very few great 2x2x players?

Umm....no I never really thought about that.......

Drake if I get MC, JB, and HG on Deity, you will get your ass kicked.

I just recently finished a deity diplo game in which I had no happiness wonders and still ended up winning the game in manys opinions. If one is patient and resourceful, great things can be achieved.

Cybershy, your interest in a diplo game is refreshing in contrast to all the other bs that has been going on around here lately.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
Drake if I get MC, JB, and HG on Deity, you will get your ass kicked. I'll give you every single other wonder even. You can have all three of those on King and you still might not win. Just as you can have leos and Sun Tzu and you're still not going to win. Ever wonder why there are so many good 1x1x players and so very few great 2x2x players?

Ok. I'll take Leo's, Adam Smith, and Hoover's Dam.
THe 2x great vs. 1x is opinion also.

[StrategicKing2]

Finally, I agree with eyes on something. 1 x 1 deity is a talent restrictor. Anybody with no life and nothing else to do can play it. Kuja is also partially right, it is a race to happy wonders. It is mind numbning, suicide provoking, coma inducingly boring.
Ill play in this tournament . Ill play 2 x 2 king...Any others, just give me a lose.
Also, since i have a 15 year history of playing tournaments all around the country, from Michcon gamefest to many out of state and national events in my board gaming past, We had problems finishing off games in the limited amount of time we had. Thus, the game master would institute the adjutacation rule, where he, or a panal of officials would decide the winner and state the reason for it.
I will not participate in powergraph games. I have seen so many idiotic supreme allocations when a blind ****** could tell that the player who was supreme was an easy loser.

[drake]

damn, eyes is right.

eyes is obnoxious, but atleast he's smart and obnoxious.

This strategic ****** is not only obnoxious, he's dumb and obnoxious.

It's actually kind of sad

[cavebear]

Re: melancholy

Originally posted by CyberShy

And yes, I hope I can see you in the tourney !
If I'm correct I've played with cavebear a few games months ago, and kinda introduced him in the apolyton community (helped him how to register on this board) but I'm not sure, can you confirm cavebear ?

Confirmed. As I recall, you, Wonderdog, and War4Ever helped me back in 1999 when I first showed up. Among you, you all helped me figure out how MP worked, played practice games with me, and gave me a lot of good basic pointers to get me started. If I didn't say so then, a belated thanks...

[cavebear]

Tourney Structure

Please understand that there are wildly varying preferences among players and that my only purpose in this is to arrive at some generally-agreed-upon top player(s). Nothing I plan will be to everyones' liking.

I propose the following: 2 MP rounds, followed by a Duel round, followed by an MP round. If required to settle the final scores, a last Duel round. MP rounds will be of 4 players each game to the extent possible.

In the 1st MP round, the last-place player in each game will be eliminated from the tourney. Basic settings will be King and 1x1x, no city or unit bribes, wandering barbs.

In the 2nd MP round, the last-place player in each game will be eliminated from the tourney. Basic settings will be Deity and 2x1x, no city bribes, raging barbs.

No one will be eliminated after that.

In the 1st Duel round, settings can be agreed-upon by the players but the default (in case of disagreement) will be King and 1x1x, no bribe restrictions, village barbs,

In the 3rd MP round, settings will be 2x2x, Deity, no city bribes, raging barbs.

I will provide the maps to be used.

That's about as fair as I can make it. (Bracing myself for a flurry of objections)