2 on 2

[SlowwHand]

Hopefully III will adjust some of the weak points and bugs.

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"It's In The Way That You Use It."
Tuatha De Danann Tribe

[GNGSpam]

Wow that sounds like a whole lotta fun

[SlowwHand]

You're in a class of 1 if you can say that 2x is more difficult than 1x.

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"It's In The Way That You Use It."
Tuatha De Danann Tribe

[drake]

This thread has gotten amusing..............

WHO CARES which is harder?

To each their own, it's not worth debating..........

[SlowwHand]

The only reason I do is to irritate Eyes.
He lives to write monumental amounts of rhetoric, and being a friend I try to help.

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"It's In The Way That You Use It."
Tuatha De Danann Tribe

[Deity Dude]

Eyes: I'm shocked you are even in this forum. The last time I asked you to play on "the zone" you gave me some bull**** that you didn't play newbies. When I said I was reasonably experienced you said only beginners play deity and that I would fit in good with "the *******s at Apolyton" When I said I came here quite often and thought that many players here were good players - you told me "you played everyone over here and set them all straight and that I should ask them". (I even considered a posting a thread on the subject)
Now let me understand your challenge - you make a map, you pick a partner, you pick the level (although last time we spoke you scolded me for using the word level to describe deity vs king), you pick the production level, you pick the movement level, you come up with the game rules, hmmm.... I HOPE YOU WOULD WIN.
I repeat the challenge I made to you before: (which instead of accepting you called me and other players names and avoided the game) ANY SIZE RANDOM MAP (notice my flexibility), deity level, 2x1x or 1x1x (again flexible), we can agree on games rules (flexible again). I'm ready anytime you are. By the way - I'm willing to bet $50 I beat you. Now I'm sure you will have some brilliant reason not to accept this like:
a) It's a waste of your time
b) I'm not good enough to be honored to play against you
c) only lousy players play deity
or
d) perhaps just a bunch of rude remarks and obscenities that in no way address the question.

I anxiously await your response.

[drake]

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</font>Eyes: I'm shocked you are even in this forum. The last time I asked you to play on "the zone" you gave me some bull**** that you didn't play newbies. When I said I was reasonably experienced you said only beginners play deity and that I would fit in good with "the *******s at Apolyton" When I said I came here quite often and thought that many players here were good players - you told me "you played everyone over here and set them all straight and that I should ask them".
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Eyes hates apolyton and yet he still comes here.......well don't let him fool you, he loves the attention that he gets when he comes here! He loves being the bad guy and watch everyone get mad and frustrated with him. It's how the poor kid gets his jollies!

He insults civfanatics too, but hes still around over there too.
He just loves the attention, he can't get enough.

Can ya eyes?

[rah]

As much as I hate to say it, I'd put my money on Eyes. Sorry DD.

He may be an ass, but he's a very very good ass.

But I still don't agree with him on his blanket assesment of the players here.

RAH

[EyesOfNight]

I'm sorry, I had no idea your native language was Mandarin. WOuld you understand better if I spoke in chinese or is there another obscure language you speak? Obviously English is not your native language or you would have noticed that I said ALL settings can be played except deity. The use of a premade map comes from my experience over the past 2 years in team games. Meeting each other early on is a huge advantage and if your partner is on an island the game is basically lost. Deity is nothing more than an equalizer for lesser players. The incredible amount of restrictions it puts on everything bogs the game down to a ridiculously slow pace. The amount of factors that influence your ability to pull ahead of others is diminished drastically. King level opens up the game more for different strategies. You don't absolutely have to go monarchy or go republic to win. You don't need happy wonders if you don't want them. As for you Rah, I would love it if you proved my assesment wrong. However, sadly it would seem that I am right and I will always be right.

[Deity Dude]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 05-18-2001 12:18 PM</font>
why don't you just come out and say that Deity doesn't fit your predetermined strategy of success. Deity forces you to build a civ instead of just cranking out settlers and horses until you are blue in the face.

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Ming, you summed it up perfectly.

[SlowwHand]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 05-18-2001 12:18 PM</font>
ROTFLMAO... why don't you just come out and say that Deity doesn't fit your predetermined strategy of success. (Oh, and I'm not disputing that you are probably the best civ player around when I say that...) You claim it gives you more options of strategies, but what it really does is allow you to ICS... something that is more difficult at Deity. And I have no problem with that, but don't even attempt to call it an equalizer for lesser players as if those that play at deity are all inferior

Deity forces you to build a civ instead of just cranking out settlers and horses until you are blue in the face.
Now that's boring
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Eyes is far from the best, unless you're talking best at 2x small world, kamikaze style of play. He may not even be the best at that.
He hasn't the patience or skill to play an extended game.
If you can thwart is initial attempt to overrun you with early discovery, he's on the ropes.
You have it correct in that he spews out horses and settlers, and does so with little regard for any other aspect of the game.
The only major item other than knowledge of bugs in the game, is his ability to intimidate many new players. Highlight new.
I never play him without the expectation that he'll either do something underhanded, or leave quickly.
That's the way he is.
You just have to realize that's how he is, and move on.

[rah]

DD, just because he doesn't respond, doesn't diminish his skills.
I am not knocking your skills btw, Just appreciating his.

Yes setting make a big difference. I can think of a few games we played with Markus on tiny worlds where he got pinned in early and was not able to do his master strat as well as he'd like. He finished poorly in that game, gee what a surprise. I still think he's one of the top players. He has proved it in many games that we've been in together. You have to limit his space or find him early and harass him to have any hope of staying with/or beating him.

And yes I like to play settings that benefit my style of play. Who doesn't.
I don't play as well in less than deity games, mainly because i forget I'm playing at a lower level and still build temples, etc. So I'm not going to give anyone too much crap for chosing prefered settings. I don't have to respect a person to respect their playing abilities. And eyes is quite good. (bragging not withstanding)

RAH

[Ming]

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Eyes is far from the best, unless you're talking best at 2x small world, kamikaze style of play. He may not even be the best at that.

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I will have to disagree with you on that... While I stand by my earlier comments, he is by far one of the top players (I'll let him and the others fight it out to claim who is really number one) He is excellent at many different types of settings... size world... single/double movement/production... and difficulty levels. He can play teams, duels, normal games... His knowledge of the game goes far beyond what many of us know. And the big thing is, he knows how to use that knowledge. I for one know tons about the game... but I'm nowhere near his league in MP.

However... I will say that he probably has the biggest ego, and that he can also be a "tad" condescending... But, that's his act

[Deity Dude]

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DD, just because he doesn't respond, doesn't diminish his skills.
I am not knocking your skills btw, Just appreciating his.

RAH
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Ahh, but he does respond - he just doesn't accept the challenge.

This will be my last post on this subject because it really isn't my style to get in an argument about who's better or any of that (especially when we have never played). My only point is this I read his crap all the time in here and other places. I've offered to play him on numerous occasions. He refuses - "no time, deity sucks, I'm beneath him, etc.etc.etc" He claims to be the best (something I have never claimed). So let's play. Like all endeavors in life, you prove your worth by performance not insults. He may beat me - he may not. There's only one way to find out. I offered a little wager, so it would be worth his time. (One of his favorite excuses seems to be it isn't worth his time). I'm available weeknights and weekends. I'm always in the Zone and I read this and civfanatics forum daily. So there it is. I've offered, he knows where to find me. The balls in his court. Why not just beat me.

[rah]

Good for you DD.
I am also one that doesn't get into the who's the best arguement.
You have done all you can. I am surprised that he didn't jump on your money challange. I have always thought he was more than all mouth.

I guess i was more like just having some fun when I said I'd place my money on him. (I still would) but sometimes handicappers are wrong .

RAH