Discussion thread CB-Diplogame

[CapTVK]

Instead of filling up the official thread with discussions about rules, subs, game mechanics, I think it would be wise to make a special thread for this. And leave the official thread for the game-related postings.


So if you want to discuss or propose something about Cavebear's diplogame do it in this thread:

Current subject:[*]Nukes
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[absurddoctor]

I have been scheduled to work next Sunday as well, once again I will see if AbsurdSensei wishes to play that session, and if not I will find someone.

AD

[cavebear]

Well, looks like we got rained out for this session. My sincere thanks for everyone being so patient and staying with the game as we tried to figure out what the problem was. I'll be checking with Absurd and Epik (as backup) this week to *try* and make sure it works properly next week.

See you then...

[War4ever]

gr........

[CapTVK]

Well, till next week then.

P.S
Just because we didn't do anything doesn't mean we don't have to post. Think up of something fun or creative. Or throw out some lines towards your opponents to see if you catch something.

I'll see if can think up something myself.

[cavebear]

My thanks to everyone for hanging in through the startup problems we have had the past 2 weeks. Part of it seems to be simul problems. The benefits are substantial, but it seems to cause some problems in return. I only ask that people remember that the time saved in simul game play outweighs the startup problems overall (I hope).

My special thanks to Sekong and Species for subbing tonight for missing players. I know through experience that it isn't easy to do that in an ongoing game, and the startup problems must have made it even more unsettling.

Here's hoping it will go more smoothly next Sunday!

[absurddoctor]

Well, the bad news is (or, I should say was) that AbsurdSensei forgot about subbing for me today and went off to do something which I must confess was more important.

The good news is that it looks I will be available this coming Sunday. I was originally scheduled to work from 4 to 8 EST again, but I believe I have found someone to switch with me. Assuming the boss does not put a kabosh on the switch (I'll be getting a nine hour shift instead of 4 which will give me overtime which is always frowned upon) I will finally be back

Thank you to whoever played the celts, and cavebear, could you email me a save so I can see what happened?

AD

[CapTVK]

Hope you can make it next time Absurd. The good news is that your civ is still standing. The bad news is that we're loosing the WoW race.

[absurddoctor]

I will be there, assuming nothing crazy happens. I cleared the switch with the boss today and reminded her that I would like to have Sundays off. Apparently she had just forgotten that I had ever told her that, so perhaps she will start giving them to me now

AD

[cavebear]

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I will be there, assuming nothing crazy happens. I cleared the switch with the boss today and reminded her that I would like to have Sundays off. Apparently she had just forgotten that I had ever told her that, so perhaps she will start giving them to me now

AD
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That's good news. Sometimes they just need to be reiminded.

[sekong]

Thanks to war4ever for introducing me to this game. It was a lot of fun. I just post my report on another thread. And I have a autosav which can be sent to King Absurb. :=)

Talking about WoW race. I guess the King Absurb's Crusade was for Magellan's Expedition? Sorry that I don't know yr plan. Otherwise, I may have ask English for Navigation and rush buy it.

[CapTVK]

Nukes: Ordinary weapons of war?

The tech race seems to be going faster and faster right now. We're starting to near that dreaded WoW: "Manhattan project". In the last major diplogame I played we agreed not to build MHP. For fear that one of the AI players could react in the wrong way. Plus there was always the danger that the AI would build MHP anyway. In fact, we had to send spies into AI controlled cities on several occasions to sabotage production.

This isn't such a problem when we have a full compliment of players, but the question remains: do we allow nukes or not? In simul all players can react at the same time, so the danger that player who gets the first shot is lessened a bit. I do think that we shouldn't allow SDI to make it a bit more realistic. Which means a tweak in the rules.txt. Otherwise the bigger players win out against the smaller ones, they can easily rushbuild SDI while smaller players may not have the resources for this.

What's the preference of the other players about allowing nukes?

[Epik]

Nukes and SDI should be allowed. Nukes are the tools of the desparate. If used all of the other tribes would likely gang up on the user. That is a pretty good deterant.

Artificial Ignorance should not be allowed. The AI is a poor player. In a Diplo game the AI will violate border agreements and build more than 30 cities. It is better to skip a session than to allow the AI to take over a tribe.

[cavebear]

Well, I do not love nukes. Still, they are a part of the game. In a way, they are are a way for weaker civs to balance stronger ones. The stronger ones may be able to build SDI more easily, but the weaker ones need few nukes to achieve parity.

I fully agree that use of nukes is a diplomatic matter. But this *is* a diplo game, and such reactions should be diplomatically subjected to world opinion and action. If one civ uses a nuke to destroy a capital and kill a SS, then it should not be all that hard to nuke that offending parties cities in return, in greater force, by international cooperation.

[CapTVK]

We understand war, hope your grandmother is able to recover.