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**Rasputin** · February 17, 2001, 23:50

exactly if evryone could read my thoughts theyt would know what i think...

It si alway samazing tha tthe worst writing is alway of doctors.. and they are supposedly smart. so perhaps me emulations here are simply an act to look smart

**agharta_id** · February 18, 2001, 00:01

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exactly if evryone could read my thoughts theyt would know what i think...

It si alway samazing tha tthe worst writing is alway of doctors.. and they are supposedly smart. so perhaps me emulations here are simply an act to look smart
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hehehehe.

**agharta_id** · February 18, 2001, 00:42

Testing, testing, ONE - TWO - THREE! if the picture i embedded in this post shows up, pay attention to the following:

This picture is of the power graph of a game Carnide and I are playing at the moment.

I am the Americans, Carnide is the Germans.

Carnide has Mikes and Bachs, I have NO happy wonders.

Cheers!

**Rasputin** · February 18, 2001, 03:25

just remember, powwergraph has only a little to do with overall winner, although i know lots of people think it shows who is in front ...

**agharta_id** · February 18, 2001, 15:39

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Rasputin on 02-17-2001 10:36 PM</font>
"Now as to your point that tech stealing is real , jsut because you claim the russians hav ebeen doing it for years..But how often does a nomadic tribe from africa steal nuclear science from USA, yet in Civ II this is quite possible, a backward tribe with little or no reaserch of there own , can sneak a diplomat upto a large well advanced civ and with no prerequisites can suddenly discover all..."

Again, one must keep in mind that this game was made in 95 when the resources were limited and one must also keep in mind my point of departure: to play the most realistic rules possible. I am NOT arguing that civilization is a good simulation of real civilization.

As for your nomadic tribe point, great examples of this is are the !bung in Africa or the North American tribes. Both interacted with the technologically superior civ (european colonists) ... When the Europeans did not share tech with the "indians," they took it. This much is clear. As for the !bung tribe, they eventually became integrated into the global culture. We in the first world simply did not care if they stole the concept of the wheel. We were busy battling the soviets, who were stealing ABM tech and what not.

If you ever play mutliplayer and one of your opponents is nomadic and you are modern, just ignore that civ. It is not worth your time

"Also your point on wonders being influential on societys minds and souls, i agree this could be an awe inspiring work, a morale booster if you like, so maybe all wonders shoudl only make people happy, but then again i bet the guys actually building the pyramids werent too damn happy about it, so maybe building wonders should make more riots !!! As for Statue of liberty being a wonder!! WHy ??? its jsut a statue to celebrate the french helping the Colonists to beat england in a war... no wonder in that.. but perhpas a morale booster again, but the abiltiy to change governemtns with no consequences jsut because you ahve a statue come on ...
and why does the auto update process of leos stop at auto why not continue for ever, if you can beleive that is realsitic to update a phalanx to a conscript then why not artillery to howitzer... ( I actually tried that one game made leos never obsolete, mad efor a quick fun game )" Again, i never said the game was a great simulation.

"As you say maybe this will be addressed in civ3 but maybe not.." perhaps. if not, i am going to keep playing civII ... i like being able to do other things while i play!

"My whole point was that this game is jsut that a game, not real life. all settigns are there for fun and ease of use... if syd had wanted us all to paly your settings he wouldnt have given us options to changes..." I never said it was real life, I never said is was a great simulation, I just said it was a simulation ... *shrug* if you can not understand that, i give up ... (on you)

"Hopew my writing doesnt boither you too much and that you dont feel my repsonse is below your intellect level to bother reading "

Your writing does not bother me, your argument does. Besides, even if i ignore your argument, I kinda like watching my inferiors scuttling about, near my toes, writing frantically.

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**War4ever** · February 18, 2001, 15:48

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Another great oxymoron in our midst.......

riots because of the labour conditions and/or slavery or ..........egocentric economic growth IMO... sort of depends on how you look at wonders

couldn't resist this one

**agharta_id** · February 19, 2001, 01:23

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Rasputin on 02-18-2001 02:25 AM</font>
just remember, powwergraph has only a little to do with overall winner, although i know lots of people think it shows who is in front ...
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yer right flabberbrain, the powergraph has little to do with the overall winner, it is an indicator of who has the edge at a certain point in the game ...

**agharta_id** · February 19, 2001, 05:40

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Another great oxymoron in our midst.......

riots because of the labour conditions and/or slavery or ..........egocentric economic growth IMO... sort of depends on how you look at wonders

couldn't resist this one

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Jeesh, that was a confusing post. I have no idea what your point was, or if you had a point. You have to write clear in order for someone to respond.

**War4ever** · February 19, 2001, 10:47

just commenting on the debate about the realism of wonders..... but with your obvious intellect i figured you of all people would have understood that .....

I guess i shouldn't assume brilliance even from you j/k

**agharta_id** · February 19, 2001, 11:55

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by War4ever on 02-19-2001 09:47 AM</font>
just commenting on the debate about the realism of wonders..... but with your obvious intellect i figured you of all people would have understood that .....

I guess i shouldn't assume brilliance even from you j/k
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Is the educational system lacking out West or are you just dumb? (for those americans reading, this comeback is for canucks, not yanks like yourselves)

**War4ever** · February 19, 2001, 19:31

Flattery (spelling?) will get you nowhere

**Ming** · February 20, 2001, 20:01

Now come on people... These forums are meant for "DISCUSSING" Civ... not flaming and insulting people.
Keep to the subject, or don't even bother to post.
Because if you all you are going to do is insult/flame people, your rights to post here WILL be restricted!

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**agharta_id** · February 20, 2001, 21:02

hey, i did not start it ...

**agharta_id** · February 20, 2001, 21:28

well folks, it looks like i am not allowed to insult someone who has insulted me (americans and their wacky notions of free speech!)... i would like to apologize to those i insulted without any provocation; in other words, those who i insulted who did not insult me first ...

**Ming** · February 20, 2001, 21:31

Yeah... Play the victim. I don't care who started it.
IT WILL STOP!

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