Planning the Diplogame...

[The Capo]

Alright, nobody has confirmed yet, but its only a few hours later so that isn't a big deal, I have made the following graphic to help people realize what is going on in this game, on the left are obviously cities, next to that are the flags of the nations involved, from the top down we have India, China, Pax Romana, Aztecs, the Rus, Australia, and U.S.A.

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It was a tough decision for the cities, I went with the Aztecs getting the nod rather than the Indians or Chinese, if this is a real problem for anyone please let me know. The Indians and the chinese have an Inodnesian style.

The only unit changes I am making:

- Changing graphics of Cavalry, Riflemen, Alpine, Crusader, Legion, Horsemen, Warrior, Caravel, Frigate, Dragoons and possibly other units.

- Adding Mobile SAM, War Trerime, and Spy Plane units. I believe that is all of the units I will add, if anyone has further suggestions for units (someone suggested a non-unhappyness trade ship for modern times).

And that's it so far, I need all suggestions by Friday, and all confirmations by Thursday, so I can get to work on the file.

Thanks, The Cap'

[Mika]

about ur suggestions capo...

please don't make demo stronger by decreasing unhappiness to one per army outside the city... I know that it's unrealistic but demo means capitalism and wherever is capitalism there is corruption... so that is also not very realistic and that is a big advantage.

units:

everything ok except the colonial era inf... useless imo.

Rules:
I think Oracle should die with universities (when ppl don't believe that stuff anymore)
about bribing cities... I would say that only cities in disorder should be bribed. So you have at least a chance to survive that.
About war until X:
definitly no! I don't intend to get rid of my neighbours in the beginning but you play completely different if you can feel secure. Not the sense of what we are doing here I think...
communism replacing by fascism is no good idea. instead of fundamentalism is ok imo.

Another suggestion:
Make nuclear missiles more expensive... like 300shields or something. I really hate them...
then cruisers should see no subs (or subs are completely useless since a battleship is too strong anyway and in ww2 most cruisers were not even equipped with deatch charges. And u still can move on the subs field and discover it that way)

That are my thoughts... I hope they are not too strange

Mika

[GNGSpam]

Nuclear Missle cost increase seems pointless. We turned off SDI with the specific hope to have people use them as strategic threats in diplomacy, increasing cost goes against that intent. I doubt many nuclears will be started, its simply to costly to get in a nuclear exchange, everyone hates them, let that regulate them, not jacked up cost.

There should be no rules restricting war, governments, etc. If I can get Musketeers and Democracy by 500 A.D I want to be rewarded not hindered. By the same token, taking away the threat of war increases land grabbing of ridiculous preportions. Like me in the Russian hinterland claiming land in the Middle East. Without war I can do that, I have time to set up defenses. With war I cant, because its to far away from my homeland, I have to expand to it. There is a huge diffrence.

[The Capo]

Keep in mind everyone was supposed to e-mail me confirming their spot in the game. So far the only people that have confirmed are....

Me - Rome
Chris - Russia
Joe - America
Sun - China
Mika - India

Which means two people haven't confirmed yet, which means that two spots are open and that we could realistically get any two people that wanna join, please make your prescence known.

Also, due to mitigating circumstances we may have to change the playtime and day to Wednesdays at 8pm eastern time, I hope this doens't change anything...

[SunTzu]

I don't quite follow you GNGspam about not being able to get more land w/o war or with it.
Anyways, i think a nuclear war would be kinda cool between 7 humans =]
Nuclear missles need more DISTANCE! Me personally if i had an arsenal of them i would use them if provoked. And well in real life. Nuke missles can hit USA from Russia.
How about Oracle doesn't expire until Mikes Chapel is built. Churches took over Temples in real life at religious purposes.

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[The Capo]

Sun, they can only reach Russia from NA because they go over the North Pole. But I think I will increase the movement rate to 25, or maybe make a new Nuclear missile, like an ICBM or something that moves that much, I am not sure yet, because there was an increase in effectiveness of a Nuclear missile in real life after all.

Chris (GNGS Spam or whatever) simply meant that if we had a "No war until 1000 b.c." clause for example; he could move troops into Persia blocking India from entering with mere Warriors while Egypt had, let's get extremem here, Howies, and secure the are with India being unable to do anything about it. Which is a very valid, if not the most valid, of points. The second point, and probably the one I think is the most obvious, is that a no war clause is actually stupid and unrealistic for the simple reason that it negates certain units from being created, and is simply unrealistic.

BTW we still need one more tribe to join this game, currently we have...

Romans - Me
Russians - Chris (GNGS)
Chinese - Sun
Americans - Joe
Indians - Mika
Aztecs - Aburtt

Keep in mind the time has been changed FROM mondays at 7pm eastern time (U.S.), TO wednesdays at 8pm eastern time (U.S.) if you are signed up and cannot play please let me know so I can find a replacement, thank you...

The Cap'

[Nap Bonaparte]

I hadnt previously responded to this thread as the Mon. playing time did not work with my schedule. However, if you are going to play on Wed. nights I can commit for the next 20 Wed. evenings and can be online by 8- 8:15 pm EST. I am agreeable with any settings/rules/units/maps you all want. However, I would want to start as an African civ as discussed earlier in this thread...Ethiopians, Egyptians, Carthaginians,Zulus or whatever.

[The Capo]

Okay so far here is the "finalized" list, based on those who have confirmed on time, and those who picked up the slack afterwards, if I mistype your name I am sorry but I am very sick at this moment.

Capo - Romans
GNGS Spam - Russians
Aburtt - Aztecs
Nap Bonaparte - Mali
Mika - India
Sun Tzu - China
JDI_Falcon - Americans

A few new units were added, the Longship and Mobile SAM, most units got makeovers, and the Fanatic was replaced with the Storm Trooper as Facism has replaced Fundamntalism, in case any cares about such things the Storm Trooper unit has no specific markings making him a soldier connected with WW2-Germany.

The units are now more "ethnically" dispersed, but you should expect for Europe to have the most "in house" units.

i.e. the Marines are now Black, the Horsemen Asian.

The SDI has been removed, I have added one move to the Trerime, the Longship (ancient attacking vessel) is a 2/1/3.

Storm Troopers - Free with Facism - 6/5/2 (2/1)
Mobile SAM - Requires Rocketry - 0/5/1 (3/2) During tests these units are strong in forts while fortified against all planes, they should be used to equalize front line forts that were usually easy pickins for any bomber unit.
Longship - Requires Seafaring - Seafaring is mastery of traversing the sea, and in order to establish a proper attack vessel the crew would need nourishment as well as a proper heirarchy upon the ship, thus Seafaring, rather than mapmaking is the prerequisit, I already stated its stats above.

The game is to begin on Wednesday, the Zip is nearly completed, I would really appreciate it if any of you that know/think you won't be able to make it please contact me so I can make arrangements, if you know that you are going to be unable to play in this game please let me know.

Thanks, The Cap'

[Nap Bonaparte]

Thanx for the invite Capo..I will be there at 8 to 8:15 pm on Wed. My ICQ # is 37676739. Everyone in this game should post their ICQ #. By the way, where is Mali...is that a jungle infested area on the west coast of Africa...wouldnt Zululand be better? Or did you beef up the starting terrain a little bit?

[The Capo]

Alright the Mali (now the Zulus) situation has been fixed, and I think that Nap is correct, we should all post our ICQs as well, not to mention that it shows me who is actually looking at this thread.

Mine is 101832697.

[SunTzu]

39470566
Go chinese!

[Nap Bonaparte]

Sorry Capo....Go Raiders.....I feel sorry for any Baltimore Ravens fans that made the trip to Oakland to root for their team.......RIP...

[The Capo]

We're up right now, we don't need your pity.

Not yet anyway.

[The Capo]

Tis time for Nap to eat Crow....

And Nap, they are big fat juicy Crows too, because they just ate up 22 Raiders!!!

[The Capo]

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Sorry Capo....Go Raiders.....I feel sorry for any Baltimore Ravens fans that made the trip to Oakland to root for their team.......RIP...
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I can see how you feel sorry for them too, I would feel sorry for anyone that had to go to the city of Oakland too.