The way of the league brat...

[Kaak]

Ming, I wasn't saying that you were talking to me, i was merely showing how i drew the conclusion.

iadkins: i am not arguing that it was fair, I said it affected them both in the same way. I.E. it wasn't like AHs cities went into disorder and eye's didn't. Again, let me stress, I disagree with it, i do not think it was fair.

Spider: i realize you are new, and you don't know me, or much of anything else that goes on around here. If you don't know any better, don't post.

[Civfan]

This is to much for everyone. Its interesting how people can get too attached and emotional over a game. A game, yes a game from four years ago. With everyone doing this whats the point in this game league... Your all going to be suspicious now of everyone you play against. (do I hear the bells of Dispute on everyones game history now or what)Remember people its only a game you play. Yes its a large investment of your time when you play others and its terrible that people cheat, but its always going to be there. Theres programs used in the Zone to cheat. I've seen it first hand. The individuals have stopped the production of other civs(gold and shields) and they even given me gold...It ruins everyone having a good game and i left many games due to the fact of this, but more importantly because this program hacks into your computer. Several people's machines where effected by this system, "I talked to afew people about it" mine being one of them. The league sounds like a good idea but this issue will always be around it... It was nice while it lasted... Guess its back to the good old days of scenarios..

later

[rah]

Not scenarios, just what we always do.

Thank you.....
Berzerker
Ming
Matt
War4ever
Spider
Epik
Makeo
Smartfart
Odeo
Barono
Bird
Xin
Deity
Paul
Arii
bizzaro
Mauddib
brocher
Smash
cavebear
Clay-Pigeon


And a host of other people that I have routinely played with over the years. (sorry if i forgot anybody)

It has always been fun competition, and we have NEVER had any arguments about rules. Too my knowledge, the games have been clean and cheating has NEVER been an issue. That's my idea of a league. There is no official ranks, just fun competition. We know who the more experienced players are and who is learning. I rarely hear anyone brag about being the best or telling someone else that they suck. We have all learned new things from playing each other.

It's a game and we have fun. Otherwise what's the point.

RAH
Lord of the ferrets.

[Carolus Rex]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by suas333 on 10-03-2000 11:20 PM</font>
Not to create a war between leaguers and apolytoners, but couldn't you guys have come up with something more original. I mean Eyes of Night coined the phrase "apolyton brat" now instead of league brat how about league _______


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I agree, not very imaginative, but I wanted an obvious connection to the closed thread. I happily leave the name calling to others, who are much better at it.

Carolus

[Crustacian]

Yes Kaak it is understood about the differance between a one sided inhancement of the game vs. one where all players have the same parameters, but where only one player is fully aware of what they are. I am glad you don't see it as being fair.

I don't even have a problem with those who like to cheat in what ever way they can possibly dream up, or those who change the rules text. They can do what they want really.
Once it was sugested to have a huge "cheat fest" with no holds barred where all these as Eyes called em, "nuances of the game" could be exploited to the best of any players abilities.

Wonderdogs games with the non expiring Oracle and so on were fun too but he explained the changes so folks could decide if they wanted such parameters.

I just would like to know before the game starts which parameters are being used, so I can make an intellegent choice as to whether I would like to play or not, maybe have some input as to which parameters to use, and can now see others feel the same way I do.

I prefer the standard CD as purchased in the store...not hacked off the internet. Along with the standard most recent patch available through Microprose site, and expect this to be the case with those whome I play. This is really standard isn't it? A point of reference to go from.

IMHO if a player is not using these then they are obligated to inform the others ahead of time so they can decide if they want to play.

Some games on Deity level you only get 50 gold to ransome a barb king, and a zillion other little unusual things could possible in part be explained by things in this thread. Possibly but not necissarily. But wouldn' you like to know ahead of time on something like this. Maybe no one knows and it is a regular bug, but then all continue playing with same understanding.

There are enough bugs and variables as it is in the standard versions without going beyond those to get familiar with for me.

I also agree that it is not hard to find a great game with dependable non liberty taking apponants, so keep on civing!

I love to play a truely challenging game, win or loose, and consider it a waste of time to unknowingly play in a hopelessly handicapped version without being aware.

There are many good players of the game out there, Eyes, you would benifit from playing them on a fair playing field. You would not be bored often. Sorry you are finding that acheiving balance in recreation vs responcibility so difficult right now amid whatever other of lifes "nuances" you are facing right now.
When you find this balance please post so I can maybe achieve it too

Once it was said that balance is like hanging onto a metronome time keeper used on pianos with the little upside down pendullum. Balance is glimpsed from the top center as you swing by back and forth. But hopefully in life the swings become less and less so you can glimpse it more often.

One other saying is:

When I was a young man of 20 years, I worried about what others thought of me.
When I was 40 years I did no longer care what they thought of me.
Now that I am 60 years old, I have come to see that no one was paying attention to me in the first place.




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[Bird]

You suck, rah.

[suas333]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Carolus Rex on 10-04-2000 10:33 AM</font>
I agree, not very imaginative, but I wanted an obvious connection to the closed thread. I happily leave the name calling to others, who are much better at it.

Carolus
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Yeah i figured you wanted it to be a contunuation of the closed thread.

BTW Bird, I see you live in South Orange NJ. I was just there the other weekend for a Wiffleball tournament.

[Matthew]

OK, Iadkins, you'e got me. I might justas well fess up here and now.

Eyes is Kaak.

And just how might I know this? Because I am Eyes and Kaak.

And Ming. Not to mention RAH, Xin, Empress, and in fact, everyone who has ever posted on this thread except you.

And just how do I seem to play as two or 3 players in one game?

Simple. I hae 12 computers, each with its own internet connection.

In fact, I am the only person you have ever played against on line.

Surprised?

It's all an elaborate ruse to get you, the only real human still alive, to join the Borg collective. Which you have already done, of course. You're just not aware of it yet.

Eyes, fare well and good luck with school.

[Alexander's Horse]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Matthew on 10-05-2000 02:07 AM</font>
OK, Iadkins, you'e got me. I might justas well fess up here and now.

Eyes is Kaak.

And just how might I know this? Because I am Eyes and Kaak.

And Ming. Not to mention RAH, Xin, Empress, and in fact, everyone who has ever posted on this thread except you.

And just how do I seem to play as two or 3 players in one game?

Simple. I hae 12 computers, each with its own internet connection.

In fact, I am the only person you have ever played against on line.


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That Matthew is an amazing guy, judging from this.




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I didn't tell a soul. I told finbar but that doesn't invalidate the first statement.

[iadkins]

he he LOL Matt..
but, even though I was half joking I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few doubles around!
After all, Eyes is Infusco and War4ever is Ethnic Clenser.
And I believe Ming is a little cute sometimes...
I bet there are some secrets around here!

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[Ming]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by iadkins on 10-05-2000 06:23 AM</font>
And I believe Ming is a little cute sometimes...

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HUH!!!!!!!!!!!

[rah]

NO, I AM SPARTACUS.

And everyone else that I thanked. I just like self gratitude.

RAH

Great Post Matt

[strategicking]

I realize most of you "apoloyton players " have no idea who i am, but i accuesed eyes of program munipulation almost a year ago. What did i get in return? I got abused in league posts, I got called nothing but a second place player. Well now we know that Eyes is nothing but a blanted cheater. Rules.txt ? What the hell is that? If you put that much energy into disecting the game files then why stop there? I think he might have munipulated the hut.txt to get all those citys from huts. and of course I believe he had two computers set up and "mapped " the board. And that is true, its true. I have not had the pleasure to play most of you, if you would like to play someone who is at the very least, capable and competant (me being modest) go to the msn game room and invite me to a game. (and i am above reproach, never cheat, dont need too, and if i lose, the sun still rises tommorow, maybe ill learn something)

[Ming]

strategicking... welcome to Apolyton.
If you are ever looking for a game, just cruise this forum to see what's happening... We are always looking for committed players who are honest


But since you are new... a simple Apolyton rules reminder.

If you are going to accuse somebody of cheating here, you MUST provide proof... Now yes, Eyes has been nailed for some things that have been proven... And he HAS taken his abuse here. But, unless you can see him at home looking at two computers, or can prove that he has "messed with the hut.txt" please don't post it. Without proof, it is just slander.
Thank you for your understanding...

I hope to catch you in a game in the future

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CivII & Off-Topic Forum Moderator
Ming@Apolyton.net

[Moker Guy]

well i got some proof to back up strats idea. awhile back eyes used to be quick acorn. when people started to wonder if he really was quick acorn he decided to prove to everyone that he wasnt both wihout saying anything(why else would he do it?). he went on the zone, talked with both characters, and also had quick acorn and eyes of night on zone messenger. zone messenger cant be opened twice on the same computer( to my knowlegde, and i have tried). so he must have had two computers to do this.

to coin strats saying

and this is proof, yes its proof

Moker