Tales from the European Front I Setup

[OzzyKP]

well we are all here and waiting, Capo isn't here yet. If you read this get on AIM or ICQ ASAP.



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Dear Mother
Dear Father
Every thought I d think you d disapprove
Curator
Dictator
Always censoring my every move
Children are seen but are not heard
Tear out everything inspired
- Metallica Dyers Eve

[kent-jo]

This night was an disaster!

I was'nt mad of my starting pos, but that it have been moved witout telling. We where choosing our civ's out of their starting pos.......

And people did'nt show up when they where supposed too..


Let's hope we get an better start next week...

[JDI_Falcon]

Ok, here is the speal. We are gonna go for next week sometime. Sunday however is not going to work. Both Reefer and I have previous engagements. So I am think either Saturday or sometime during the week, but after 6:30 EST.

On the subject of today, I think everything went terrible. First we had one of the players quit because the game was taking to long to start. I suggest we get rid of all people like that before next week. I mean if he really wanted to play, he would have waited. Secondly, this time a specific time must be mentioned and set in stone. Make sure everyone knows about unlike today where three, yes ozzy three people thought it was at 6:30. Also, Ozzy and Reefer, forget today, put it behind you and lets stop arguing, this game won't get anywhere with arguing.

Here is a link to the scenario that we will be using. Put it in the /Scenario folder, otherwise you will get an error.
http://www.geocities.com/enemyofdefense/EuroDip.zip

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by JDI_Falcon (edited September 24, 2000).]</font>

[OzzyKP]

I really can't have an ongoing game any other time than on sunday afternoons like we had scheduled.

That day and time frame was posted before anyone came along, i really intended this to be then. So far that time seems to work the best with most of the people involved anyways.

Despite our arguments today i really would love for both of you to get in the game, but i'm not really flexible on the day or approx. time, so please if you can try to make it sunday at 1pm est, if not then i suppose we could find someone else.

[OzzyKP]

I understand the complaints by people over their starting spots, I hate the feeling of "being cheated" but in this case i think that the concerns are fairly unfounded.

I'm looking at the map now, and first of all the germans have two squares of water right by them which can give some trade. But regardless of that they have an immense advantage regarding production. If you compare the hungarian start which bezerker considers ideal to the german spot, the germans have a clear advantage over everyone else in the game in production. While the hungarians may have a start favorable to inventing tech, the germans have a start favorable to building wonders.

I should be complaining that they will beat everyone in the wonder race. But personally i think we all have strengths and weaknesses of our given land just like the real european powers did, and we should just play our best with what we have. Because honestly what really matters is how good the player is. This isn't going to be a quick to the death game where having a good start can make or break an entire game, this is going to be much larger than a few specials in one city will ever give anyone.

Personally i think that the map and the scenario that Capo worked on is wonderful. I have no complaints about the map, though i do have a question about the starting techs that everyone has.

I say we play on this mostly unchanged, but like i said before i really can only play on Sundays as the game was orginally set up to be.



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Dear Mother
Dear Father
Every thought I d think you d disapprove
Curator
Dictator
Always censoring my every move
Children are seen but are not heard
Tear out everything inspired
- Metallica Dyers Eve

[OzzyKP]

Damn...

This game better turn out good, we've already made it to two pages and over 50 posts and we haven't even started the game yet, hehe.

[Mr Dimbleby]

I am fine with both the scenario and the map, no complaints here.

As far as who has what with regards to terrain & resources, no more whining. Build an army an go acquire it. Historically, this is the way it was done.

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``Smart is also instinct, judgement and common sense ... You can't inspire and unite by thinking you're smarter than everyone else."

You little scumbag! I've got your name! I've
got your ass! You will not laugh! You will not
cry! You will learn by the numbers. I will
teach you. Now get up! Get on your feet! You
had best un**** yourself or I will unscrew
your head and **** down your neck!

[Berzerker]

My apologies about the delay I caused with the download, I asked well beforehand if there was going to be any downloads because I knew my ignorance of computers would result in a clumsy attempt to incorporate the new info into the proper files. I can play anytime, but I do have one miniscule complaint and suggestion:

I noticed that the Hungarians start on a river with plenty of wine nearby while the Russians (at least he has silk), the Spanish and I are stuck with no science specials within 8-10 spaces (I'm even further from sciences), argh! Ozzy said I (the Germans) make up for this with better land, hmm. My suggestion: let each of us select the coordinates for our respective starting positions within the home range of our traditional countries. Could we give the host these coordinates so he could go into the game and re-position our settlers?
Basicly we are surrendering philosophy to Ozzy and I want to even out the start...

[The Capo]

I just wanna say a few things, for one everyone is complaining about the starting points, but they are missing the entire point of it. I chose these starting points with perfect regard to where they are in the real world, Budapest is on the Danube, therefore it shall be on the Danube, and so on and so forth, complaining about your starting point is stupid because the Germans, Spanish, Russian etc. in real life had no choice where their "starting points" are.

As far as me moving them, yeah I did "move" them but not with the intentions of moving them, if you really want to know how I selected the points I moved every civ's starting point to Turkey, and then looked at an Atlas to find an exact starting spot, so technically everyone was "moved"

As for the time, I cannot make it any other days but Monday, and Wednesday during the week, and that is it. I can make it anytime after five on those days, but other than that I am completley unavailable to play, I made a very serious exception this past Sunday and everyone seemed to be pissed off at me.

So whatever, you guys don't like the work I did fine, don't use it, but I worked my ass off and it is very exact and very much historically accurate. To complain about an advantage is a very stupid thing to do in a Diplo situation, there is no advantage because there is no victory, so stop whining about it.

[OzzyKP]

Now, lets get squared away who still is involved in this game, some tempers were flared last time, and some people are now having scheduling conflicts so i just want to do a roll call to see who is still interested in playing this game.

Personally i am very much for starting this game next week sunday at 1pm est, i am the hungarians.

[Mr Dimbleby]

I'll be there.

[JDI_Falcon]

I can be there as well, but I am pretty sure Capo can not.

[OzzyKP]

Ok, be sure to talk to everyone who had initially wanted in and make sure they still want to play. So far the confirmed roster for the game on Sunday at 1pm EST is as follows:

Ozzy - Hungarians
Joe/Falcon - French
Dimbleby - English

so please get the rest to confirm and start talking to new people to get them interested as well. I hope we don't loose anyone, but Falcon says Capo won't be able to make it so we will need a replacement for Italy. And if anyone else decides to drop we need a replacement for them too.



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Dear Mother
Dear Father
Every thought I d think you d disapprove
Curator
Dictator
Always censoring my every move
Children are seen but are not heard
Tear out everything inspired
- Metallica Dyers Eve

[The Capo]

Alright, you lucky bastards, I took Sunday off again, I may be able to make this a regular thing, but I really really like working on Sundays because I work almost a twelve hour day and literally NOBODY shows up. I work in a record store.

As far as the tech goes, that was a blunder on my part, so I guess I will have to take that out. Also I did in fact test the AI in this scenario and the Germans were by far the best suited so whoever they are can really shut the hell up, if he didn't notice they have DIRECT access to Scandinavia, which is basically free land, so he should really look at the map carefully before complaining. Another one who was whining was Russia, god damn man, you have the largest amount of open land with forests and mountians and lakes and you still complain, what are you stupid? Would you rather be in Africa or something?

if anyone should complain it should be Joe, France is small and surrounded...

Anyway I can play, one eastern is perfect, I did plan on going to see a movie or something on Sunday, watchin football, but whatever.

Italy shall prevail!

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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill


One Love.

[The Capo]

Alright, you lucky bastards, I took Sunday off again, I may be able to make this a regular thing, but I really really like working on Sundays because I work almost a twelve hour day and literally NOBODY shows up. I work in a record store.

As far as the tech goes, that was a blunder on my part, so I guess I will have to take that out. Also I did in fact test the AI in this scenario and the Germans were by far the best suited so whoever they are can really shut the hell up, if he didn't notice they have DIRECT access to Scandinavia, which is basically free land, so he should really look at the map carefully before complaining. Another one who was whining was Russia, god damn man, you have the largest amount of open land with forests and mountians and lakes and you still complain, what are you stupid? Would you rather be in Africa or something?

if anyone should complain it should be Joe, France is small and surrounded...

Anyway I can play, one eastern is perfect, I did plan on going to see a movie or something on Sunday, watchin football, but whatever.

Italy shall prevail!

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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill


One Love.