Tales from the European Front I Setup

[Frank Johnson]

Harken, and be warned. A eureopean diplo game has been tried before. I am not certain of this map, but lets put it this way, theres no way at all to stop a skilled Russian expansionist, when you are a Britian or an Italy. Just warning you guys.

[The Capo]

I have spoken with Ozzy on AOL about this, and we would really like it if a Spanish, Swedish, Norwegian, or Turkish player would crop up and join our little group. If you haven't seen the map it is way differant from the regular Civ 2 map, for instance:

1- Britain is much larger, as is Italy and the Balkans (Greece as well), Russia is much smaller.

2- The middle east is non existant on this map, only Turkey is there, and parts of Africa.

3- This is probably one of the most realistic maps I have seen, and judging by the countries we have so far, everyone should have a great chance at being a dominating force.

That's about it, the map is really good, and contrary to whatever that one guy said, I have serious doubts that a Russian has a huge advantage on this map, to put it in other words: Moscow is barley on the map, there is not much to Russia on this one, landwise.

I guess we are starting on Sunday, I agree with King Mode and Raging Hordes of Barbarians, I think we should have single production and double movement, since it is the whole continent of Europe and not the world, what does everyone else think?


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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill


One Love.

[Nap Bonaparte]

If you guys need another player I will volunteer to play Spain. I am flexible about all game settings except for movement.....Im only interested if it is 1x movement. I am a veteran of DiploI and Tales from the Diplo Front II not to mention Open Letter to all Nations.....probably 2 of the 3 most successful diplo games of all time. Let me know what time you are starting on Sunday.

[kent-jo]

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Ozzy - Hungarians
Bezerker - Germans
Kent-Jo - English
Mr Dimbleby - Spanish or Russians



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Why not:
Mr Dimpleby - English (as he want)
Kent-jo - Russian (as i want)

[kent-jo]

Are we starting this Sunday?

[OzzyKP]

Personally i'd like to stick to the 1x movement. Especially since we'd get someone who has had good experience in diplo games in on this one, which could help make this a sure success.

I'm open to difficulty and barbs, so whatever you all decide.

We now have 7 players, the list is as follows:
Ozzy - Hungary
Berzerker - Germans
Kent-Jo - Russians
Mr. Dimblebery - England
Falcon - French
Capo - Italians
Nap Bonaparte - Spanish

and as for the russian situation i picked this map primarily because it cut off half the land afforded to russia in the standard map. Russia is still a bit big, but it shouldn't skew things too much. And they can't build up a barrier between the empty land and the rest of europe since they start way out by the edge of the map. The other european powers can grab up all that land equally.

Only failing of the map as far as i'm concerned is that France seems to be smaller than it should, but due to the distance between it and other powers like germany, the French have suitable room to expand east.

But certianly i think this is the best map of Europe that i have seen, and i am confident this will be a good game.




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Metalhead Greater Sayen, and all 'round nice guy

[OzzyKP]

So, it looks like everyone can make it this Sunday except Mr Dimbleby. Can we find someone to play for him for the first session? I know that the first session is perhaps the most important one, but i kinda want to get started on this.

Is there anyone else interested in playing this sunday?

I'm looking to start around 1 pm EST this Sunday, can everyone else make this or find a replacement?

This would also be a good time for a regular game time, does everyone else agree to this?

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Metalhead Greater Sayen, and all 'round nice guy

[kent-jo]

I cant start before 19.30 CET (Central European Time)

EST = Eastern(America) Standard Time

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[kent-jo]

Tell me if i have to get an substitute..........

[kent-jo]

i prefer king, Roving bands, 1x prod 1x move

[Nap Bonaparte]

Sun 1pm EDT is fine with me. I prefer 1x1x. Can someone tell me either: 1) How do you open the map's zip file listed earlier in this thread or 2) Is the map located somewhere else in an non zip file

[Berzerker]

Barb level &gt; villages only, having barbs just pop up hurts the White civ. Dimbleby says he can make it by 6:30-7 est sunday, why dont we start at that time for our first session?

And if we play at the king level, then anyone who gets 2 settlers must disband one immediately UNLESS we all get 2 settlers, very unlikely.
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[OzzyKP]

I'm thinking that might be too late for alot of people, but if we can all make it, then i say lets start at 630-7 est.



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Metalhead Greater Sayen, and all 'round nice guy

[OzzyKP]

and how does it hurt the white civ?

barbs don't matter too much to me, but i certianly don't want to handicap anyone.

and of course disband if two settlers, what do we do for techs?

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Metalhead Greater Sayen, and all 'round nice guy

[The Capo]

There is a minor problem here, I kinda run a wrestling website and I need to watch the PPV that is on from eight until eleven, so this poses a problem, I could realistically miss the first hour, but that would be a great disservice to my readers, as I would be assuming rather than reporting actual crap.

Who cares tho, if we start at 6:30 I can only play until nine, which kinda dampers whatever time-frame you guys had in mind.

Anyway who cares, Giuseppe Garibaldi shall lead the Italians to glory, and who the hell is gonna be the White, I would rather start as white if that is not a problem, unless the Russians will take offense.

Also one more thing, because I know this will become an issue in the game, I don't think that the current borders of European countries should be used as a factor, ie, say I settle eastern Spain, I don't think the Spanish should be able to demand that I hand it over to them in any political arguments due to the fact that it is "Naturally Spanish" Know what I mean?

Just an example, calm down Spaniards!

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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill


One Love.