Priming cities to maximize trade bonuses during your turn.

[rah]

The art of maximizing money and beaker bonuses by shifting all your workers in both cities to max trade when caravans arrive has been an established strategy since the beginning of MP. It makes a big difference.

I would like people's opinion about how they would feel about not allowing it during a players turn. WHY? Because it really slows down the game. If a person is cashing even as few as 4 caravans on a turn, it can add a couple of minutes to each player. (some morons even change the city back during their turns so they don't forget)
I have no problem with priming cities but you should have to do it before your turn and take the possible production/food reduction hit for that turn. (and not be allowed to work people that would be unhappy).

The next new MP game that I play, I'm going to propose this rule. I know it's impossible to enforce, but if the guys I normally play with say they aren't doing it, I will believe them.

OPINIONS PLEASE.

RAH
Even the ferrets think this will greatly reduce the length of turns in the midgame.

[berzerker]

But is it realistic? I mean, consider a city in economic decline, or flux at least - news of a large shipment of resources necessary to that city's economy would generate ecomonic activity in preparation of it's arrival. Either priming was designed into the game or it was an oversight or something. I dont think this game promotes trade enough - taking away a primary purpose for it wont add to the game IMO.

[rah]

I'm not saying no priming. Just not during your turn. Do it the turn before it arrives. As you say, prepare for it. It is more unrealistic that you can work workers that would make the city go into revolt temporarily but not have it count against you because you switch it back before your next turn. But this is what I asked for, discussion.

RAH

[Ming]

From a realisim standpoint, I agree with Rah.

Ok, your workers start the turn in their normal place. As the turn continues, everybody moves to a different square to maximize trade... caravan/freight arrives, move everybody back. Yeah... realism...
Blah Blah Blah.

And from a time standpoint... not even close.
I was doing this in a game last night. At one point, I had to do it for 10 caravans. (hey, almost everybody we play with does it too) It added a good 5 minutes or more to my turn in addition to the normal time for moving the caravans. (my road system was not condusive for using the goto commands)

I see no problem with maximizing the city for trade, but I like the concept that you should do it before your turn, and then change it back after your turn is over. You get the pluses for doing it, and any disadvantage (loss production or food) that goes with it too.
It IS more realistic, and does save tons of time.
As Rah says, it is impossible to enforce, but trust is key for other tricks too

So I too will bring this game the next time I start a game.

[rah]

Smash, you're right when dealing with an ally. But I've been in too many games where even allies were doing it during their turns. AAARRRGGGGG Or when they move right after each other and one wait for all the others cities to be FIXED.

As far as I'm concerned, this is just another case of doing city maintanance during your own turn and should be eliminated whenever possible.

RAH
I'm glad people are willing to discuss this.
I'm waiting for the great Eyes to come in and say we're nitpicking again.

[War4ever]

Rah i do agree that the turns take forever in the midgame.

I also agree that the goto sucks

I must admit, i feel like an idiot though as i have never consciously moved my workers around to enhance trade

I now know why everyone takes so long.

I do agree that priming as you call it should be done on the other persons turn, like other maintenance (spelling) and diplomacy etc. Therefore i too will support this option the next time we play, and i have to agree that enforcing it will be on the honor system, so our group will have no problems with this......

I wonder what Xin has to say

[Smash]

if you are gonna see games thru to more modern ages then I think you just have to accept longer and longer turns.Civs get bigger.Armies get bigger.Operations get bigger.2x just adds to it.

I will never,ever play a 2x2 game again.Do you know how long it takes to move horses on roads and rivers?.They can move 12 squares.But I stray from topic.

I don't usually deliver more than 2 or 3 per turn as I don't want to waste beakers.That doesn't take any time to speak of.

Now if you are delivering 10+ per turn,that may take awhile.

I know I'm alone,but I never seem to enough time between turns.This is when alot of action takes place.Back room diplomacy,wheeling and dealing,city managing ETC.

Check.Re-Check.Check again

[Xin Yu]

First several caravans are important, so I'd prime every city for them. Beyond a certain point (when the game takes longer) it should not be allowed to prime the cities during a player's turn. How about 500BC cut-off?

[rah]

Why can't you prime them the before, in between turns? You should know their destinations a turn before.

I know every beaker is important. But if everyone is under the same handicap and it speeds up the turns. (and it certainly will, even if it's just a minute here or there. It all adds up)

RAH

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[Bird]

I disagree here. This is a theme from several threads recently, that is, essentially, what do we to speed the game up. If that's the issue, address it directly and impose the game clock. In MP games, there is not likely to be a problem except at duels. And I don't think city priming is likely to come up in duels.

[Xin Yu]

Actually I can do that without any problem. I just rehome the caravans to my trade city (which is always primed).

[Ming]

I thought you couldn't rehome caravans in MP??????

[Smash]

I used it (with ally) without adding time.You just do your priming on other turns.It doesn't add much(if done properly).Later in the game there is plenty of time on other's turns.

ie:Before my turn-"hides for Rome,beads for Veji"

"Roger"

my turn comes up.caravans arrive.

"ok thats it"

ally resets as I finish moving other units.

end turn

I reset workers

[berzerker]

And how do you 'rehome' a caravan without actually moving it to the city? If you have to move every caravan to a trade city before sending it off, how is that saving any time?

As for other comments, I would play a game with this rule, but it would not speed it up much - the city management required for priming occurs during someone else's turn (although the sender is priming too). I learn of a caravan heading my way and I prime and unprime the city on my turn - I have asked people immediately preceding me to send the caravan early in their turn so I have time to switch back.

About the unhappiness, after trading, the city's disposition can change - an unhappy person may become content due to the trade. Therefore it is not illogical to have unhappy people content (working) in anticipation of the arriving resources. For you ex-druggies, consider how you felt without the drugs and after learning they were on the way and after they arrived (hmm...bad analogy?).

[Xin Yu]

You guys don't know the 'GOTO' method? when a unit is blinking, if you want it to move to a square, just use the mouse to click on that square (if it is a city you can use goto command from the men. Actually any square will work but it is safe to use the target square) and drag it a little bit. The cursor will change to a 'Go'. Then when you click on the square the unit will start walking by itself.