Incremental Buying...

[hydey]

Thank you all for the new information.
special thanks to carolus rex and daveV I will now be a better opponent giving others a better game

[rah]

Where do you make this stuff up from Venger. There is nothing clear about it. Just another opinion. So cut you preaching.

RAH

I can't wait for the response that nitpicks every line of this.

[Bird]

This is ridicuous. I'm curious; am I cheating in MP when I take advantage of lag time to adjust city production or rushbuild units when barbs suddenly appear? After all, you sure couldn't do that in SP b/c the computer moved too fast. And the manual doesn't tell me anything about that. Geez.

Way back when the Civ III suggestion forums were created, one of the guys involved in making Civ II commented on one of the things that many people considered a "cheat." I'm not sure who it was or which "cheat" he was commenting on (feeble memory) and I'm not about to go look for it. (I think it might have been bomber stacking, though.) Whatever the subject was, his comment was that he didn't consider it a "cheat" at all, but simply an "undocumented feature." Get used to it folks, there are plenty of "undocumented features." You can agree or disagree on whether to use them, but get off your high horses and quit calling them cheats.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

ok bird, next time we play I'll fire up my laptop and use that peek at maps "undocumented feature".
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[Ming]

HA HA HA HA! Good comeback MWHC. But I will disagree. Loading up the game on a second pc so you can peak at the map is definately a cheat. I don't think ANYBODY would consider that an undocumented feature.

I remember when you first discovered that when we were playing a game with Xin and Rah, and getting our asses kicked. It was really fun knowing that diplos and ships loaded with units were incoming, and where they were.
But that was the only time I ever used that type of information... and we got killed anyway

[My Wife Hates CIV]

hahaha that did piss off Xin. I was able to thread a diplo into his civ undetected and take leos wonder (I think it was that wonder).

[Bird]

There's a difference, MWHC. Not everyone has two computers but everyone can take advantage of undocumented features. You just have to take the time to learn them. Industriousness should be rewarded, not discouraged.

[Ming]

Ahhh... the good old days

Yeah, we may have abused that cheat the first time you discovered it (for experimentation purposes only ), but at least you posted it right away to let people know that it could it be done, just like you always did for the other many cheats you figured out.

[oedo]

When I ran into the apolyton pages first I was delighted by these incredible number of valuable tips and hints. Too bad we finally have to find out that they´re all cheats. I think it´s time to close the pages now. (at least a warning that we are entering a cheating area would be reasonable)

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"justice is might"

[Sten Sture]

Rush building kreigers is definately a cheat.

[Ming]

oedo...
Not all the tips and suggestions are cheats.
The biggest argument for or against many of them are based on the "designers intent".
And since unless they post here, we will never know. Like all games, there are flaws, bugs, and rules that are open to interpretation. The good news is, that many of them are considered to be cheating by everybody, and we now know what to look for.
Others, like in every game, will stay in the permanent "gray" area... sigh...

On the other hand, this is still a great place to go for strategies and tactics, and to get questions answered. (since the documentation on this game is no better than many other games)

[Bird]

Another thing. Why have a game with no caravans if the only purpose is to save time? Just set time limits and stick to them. If someone wants to build a bunch of caravans, fine, they'll just have to move them quickly or every other turn or not prime cities or something. Don't want to build them, then it's your choice. This is a game of tradeoffs.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

I'm all for time limits. I can have 10 cities and 60 units and only need 2 minutes. Everyone else cries about time limits and not having the 15 minutes they need everyturn. It takes time to take advantage of all the loopholes in this game

As you said above, it's a game of trade offs and time limits IMHO give MP a real time taste. Sure in MP you can move 200 units before the attack... IMHO this is almost a cheat in itself. With a 2 minute limit you just have to plan things out a bit more. In fact, with the people I play with now we've tried 1 minute time limits even as far off as 1900. This turns CIV into almost an arcade game (it's a lot of fun). do I move that unit or this one!?!?

and lag?? that's just one more lucky/unlucky part of the game - which is (a lot IMHO) luck anyway.

[Carolus Rex]

What's all this talk about caravans? Just give them away (or are you guys talking about the "before diplomatic relations"-era?).

Carolus

[Venger]

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Where do you make this stuff up from Venger. There is nothing clear about it. Just another opinion. So cut you preaching.
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Yes, my opinion. SO WHAT? Find something else to whine about than what I write...

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</font>I can't wait for the response that nitpicks every line of this.
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Venger