Thuesday night eurotime diplo.

[atawa]

[Ljube]

I made a mistake in the last attachment.

This is the correct one.

[atawa]

LOL!!!

Wouldnt it be wise to actualy build Leo's before renaming it?

[germanos]

Damn, ICQ is acting up, AGAIN!

Would it be a good idea to test the whole SoL thing now, before Mr. PEOPLE GET HERE ON TIME!-zity finally shows up?

I could probably host for this trial version.

reply here, as ICQ won't connect.

[atawa]

sure

[Ljube]

Yes, an we're particularly happy because of the fact that peace returned to Europe

[germanos]

aatawa and me checked the files, and I will have to redo my turn. I will in my turn give Vet the city I promised (IJlst).

So winzity: you will have to load the * auto save.

[germanos]

OK guys, I will quit after this session. Let's see if any of you will get this message during the session or not. Not that it matters. I'm merely posting it now, (when we have just started our session, not before we start, nor after we have finished) for two reasons:
1: I've allready made up my mind, what happenes tonight doesn't matter.
2: It will not affect my gameplay, but it may affect yours :

I am not enjoying playing a 'diplo'. It's my first, and to some degree my first MP as well, but this is a stupid game. I'd rather play a regular MP: there I know nobody can be trusted, and that diplomacy will play a little role. But I thought diplo meant diplomacy, but there is none here.

I play these games for leisure, to have a good time in the evening. Whenever I play games, I play with other people, and while winning is the goal of the game, the purpose of playing a game is to enjoy my time playing with some people.
To me it looked that a diplo would best create such an atmosphere, and when the second diplo started soon after us, it appeared my initial guess was right: newbies were encouraged to join, as a diplo was to be a good way to get acquainted with MP.

I would have thought that in a diplo, talk would have an equal important part in the game as moving your units, but here that is certainly not the case. I would have thought, as the famous CapTVK Diplo-guide states, that cooperation would be part of the game as well, and the game would not be about knocking people over as soon as possible. Here, before I had even settled my third city, I was allready being cornered.

I would have thought, that people would stick to their agreements, and not opportunisticly shout some promises, and then back down on them as soon as the occasion would arise. In my game, many promises have been made to me, but very few have been honoured. I have been doublecrossed from the very first session, and while at first I thought these would be anomalies, and a few talks with players after the sessions seemed to confirm this feeling, I must now say that it appears to be a pattern.
I have shared my technologies with many other players, to get as soon as possible to monarchy for example, only to witness this was being used against me.
People have asked me for techs, and they would give some tech back later. In all cases I had to find out myself they allready got the promised tech, and I would have to beg them to honour their promise. It may be because these agreements sometimes crossed sesions, but still: I have made many moves to get some goodwill and cooperation from players, but all I experience is distrust, bigotry and false accusations.

All this I would have expected in a regular MP, but not in a diplo-game.
For the last few sessions, I really had to drag myself to the computer, to play my session. I played since I had made a commitment. But I will retreat after this session. This game seems not to be anything more then a regular game. There is no diplomacy, either ingame, or during the weekdays in between sessions. Maybe the timer has something to with the absense of diplomacy ingame, I don't know.

I probably made a big mistake with my attack on VetLegion in the first session, since it surely killed all diplomacy between the two of us. Maybe all you other players have drawn your conclusions from that as well. I'm sorry if I screwed up there, and that it has been me who have killed the diplo from the start.

Anyway, I am tired of dragging myself to the game for these sessions, so I will play a last one, and I hope I will leave a decent civ for anyone who will take over my civ.

I do not have the energy to do any diplomacy anymore, so there is no use for me to stay in the game. After 8 sessions of this game being diplomacy-less, I cannot be bothered to continue trying. This week saw a few posts in the game thread, but they have not allowed for any diplomacy to go on. I beleive there is no use for me in this exercise anymore. I had hoped for some clues as to play MP, to get acquainted with the interface and such, to have some fun with gamers, but my conclusion is that the game is more about who sides with who, and all is directed to that. What I do, what relations I build are of no importance. What is important is what other players say about me. It really doesn't matter what I do, all that matters is what other players say I do, and my word means nothing, nor do my actions, nor does my retraint.
In other words: I am not judged on my own merit, but I must fight an uphill battle against prejudice and gossip. When that is the case, I don't see any diplomacy. Then my sole goal should be to build an army, and kill at will. For that, I do not need a diplomacy game.

I do not know any other MP'ers then you, so I must leave it to you all to find a replacement, or for you to carve up my civ the next session.

Farewell, germanos.

[atawa]

Shall we call this game quits or do the others want to continue with a sub?
(Providing we can get one off course)

[germanos]

Well, things went worse then I expected.

There is no use finding a replacement for me. With Sneek lost, have decided to starve the rest of my empire for a few turns now. There is little honour in taking command of the ruins of my empire.

I'm a quitter.

[winzity]

Last save and we need a new player...

Attached is last save.

Germanos says he quits the game so we must get a new permanent player. Somebody interested please post here.

[VetLegion]

I still appeal to you to reconsider. We have all had difficulties in this game, but we should continue to play. Most importantly, we have been available at agreed time almost every time, which made it easier to play. I think it is pretty rare and difficult to have five people to do that.

This is my first diplogame too and also I think, Ljube's.
So it has seen quite some differences in style of play and style of negotiation between us all.

I would not like to see this game go down in flames. And I certainly do not want to make enemies over the internet

I suggest we blame CapTVK (sacrificial lamb) for not including rules of conduct or war in the FAQ - and continue our game.

[VetLegion]

With germanos that is

[Ljube]

Originally posted by VetLegion
This is my first diplogame too and also I think, Ljube's.

Not quite. Although it's the first one officially called diplo.
I play this type of games with my Belgrade friends regularly.

[winzity]

Hi! I want to warn that there will start

a competing game by Kengel on our playtimes (: Bad done of him!

Propably he will not get many players because most are involved in our game.

We have an interesting game but to be on the sure side I want to inform you that it's not a reason to quit to start in the competing game.

I have told Kengel that it's much better he start his game on thursdays, that had allow all of us that want to play in the game to do it.

I know that I want and deity too! deity can't on tuesdays, it's therefore he not is in this game.