The Sticky Mouse Senate - Succession Game

[La Fayette]

If he says he is lazy, I am ready to believe him, but if he writes loooooong posts, I acknowledge he is not.

(I haven't tried to solve my problem, because I am lazy too , and I hope it is only a small temporary bug)

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Alright already!

Perhaps I shouldn't have been so helpful... I've damaged my reputation in the Lazy Persons Association!

Trust me, I'm very lazy. I shouldn't have to try to prove it. You don't really want the save to feature 25 cities in Capitalization do you?

In any event... I am away from my Civ for another couple of days. I can play near the end of the week, but if El Civ wants to go ahead of me he can.

Otherwise, we are so understaffed now that unless La Fayette solves his mysterious computer problem, it would be up to Monk to play another 10 turns!

revised list:

SG[1] -vac
SG (2) -vac
El Civ
Julius Brenzaida -vac
La Fayette
Messer Niccolo -vac
Bloody Monk
STYOM

[Bloody Monk]

Re: Alright already!

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man

Trust me, I'm very lazy. I shouldn't have to try to prove it. You don't really want the save to feature 25 cities in Capitalization do you?

In any event... I am away from my Civ for another couple of days. I can play near the end of the week, but if El Civ wants to go ahead of me he can.

Otherwise, we are so understaffed now that unless La Fayette solves his mysterious computer problem, it would be up to Monk to play another 10 turns!

25 cities in Capitalization...you wouldn't be floating a trial balloon for a new Challenge Game, would you...Rush through the tech tree to The Corporation, then be the first to "complete" the Capitalization Wonder....

Another ten turns...no , please no...I need a break from the tedium of micromanaging this Republic...

Is near the end of the week Thurs or Sat??? Just so we know....

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Probably Saturday at the latest.

[El Civ]

I'm a dork.

The first game I completed, as the Romans on Chieftan, I thought that Capitalization was a wonder and began building it in my capital.
I got very frustrated because it just wouldn't finish being built and finally gave up.
This is what happens when you fail to read the Civlopedia before playing your first game. Equally funny is that I checked the bloodlust option because I didn't want spaceships to show up in the game (thinking they were aliens, not ones we built).
The game ended due to time limit. I was engaged in a good nuke war with the Germans too. You can imagine how stupid I felt after learning what spaceships meant in the game, as well as the "wonder" of Captalization.

[Bloody Monk]

El Civ


Marvelous story. Thank you for the chance to have tears from laughing so well. It is a great and humorous side to we humans that we act so forthrightly on information we are so very sure of and shouldn't be. God forbid we have to deal with alien abductions in the mid game!!!

I remember the first time I had to deal with Capitalization. It was very confusing because the shield cost was different in different cities. Now what could this mean....

And now I am wondering if M. La Fayette wasn't tampered with by aliens....


@STYOM

Sat is okay by me or someone else could jump in.

Your paper on management of cities was very good. I especially liked the tone you used for I actually enjoy scrolling the city list looking for clues to inspire me. It's a kind of zen pleasure I take from thinking in so many directions at once. Thanks for banging it out for us.

[El Civ]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
God forbid we have to deal with alien abductions in the mid game!!!

Yes! I didn't want to have to deal with those alien probings that the supposed abductees bespeak of
Glad you liked the story.

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
And now I am wondering if M. La Fayette wasn't tampered with by aliens....

How did you guess?

Have you heard of UFO? A friend of mine was playing that game, many years ago, and I found those aliens (especially the mutons) so lovely that I decided I would have a try... and this is how I got stuck in strategy gaming.

Later on, I had the opportunity to start playing civ2, with a copy of a copy, but no guidebook at all, and this is the reason why I played (and won!) several games with the UP, DOWN, LEFT and RIGHT keys, before noticing by accident that I was also allowed to travel NE, NW,SW and SE with help of '9', '7', '1' and '3' keys!
Now if you try to play the game that way, you will notice that any unit only has access to 1/2 of the squares,... and I had been compelled to develop a theory of combined forces from what I called 'left-handed' and 'right-handed' squares
This is probably the reason why I had no problem at all becoming a micromanager .

[La Fayette]

I also played 5 turns, in order to verify whether the bug was only temporary. It seems it was.
What did I do?
I refrained from bulding howitzers and chose to build libraries instead. This means that, unless someone is really willing to conquer the world, we are now unmistakeably on our way to launching a beautiful Republican SS, since 'my' libraries have brought our research to 1 tech/turn ( + one time bonuses from freights ).

1834: Discover Atomic Theory; Research Flight (yes, I know, if the Gits were looking, they would be horrified, but Flight is unavoidable, and the other techs offered were junkies; someone had to do it: I did it ).
Salt to Spicealitum = 114g.

1836: Oil to SM = 1388g
Hut = 100g

1838: Discover Flight; Research Radio
Copper to SM = 380g; Oil to SM = 670g;
AT = Augustadorum

1840: Discover Radio; Research Advanced Flight
Silver to The Institute = 402g; Oil to Thebes = 798g; Wine to Consul's Retreat = 225g; Oil to SM = 674g.

1842: Discover Advanced Flight; Research Amphibious Warfare (only one offered ); Beads to Spicealitum = 320g.

Peaceful Consul La Fayette retires, ... with little hope to come to power again, since we are now quite close to the stars.

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by La Fayette
Now if you try to play the game that way, you will notice that any unit only has access to 1/2 of the squares,... and I had been compelled to develop a theory of combined forces from what I called 'left-handed' and 'right-handed' squares
This is probably the reason why I had no problem at all becoming a micromanager .

La Fayette, from the begining, a notable researcher...

Thanks for that story. It's great to start the day with a good laugh (especially knowing I am laughing along with you). I remember doing the same thing when I first played Civ II as a Demo d/l from a game site. I was so proud of myself for getting all that done and I was showing the game to my son when he said, "er, uh, Dad, have you tried the numeric pad??" I believe the phrase is, "I feel your pain."

[Bloody Monk]

@ La Fayette

Is it a question of time?? Why not complete your full twelve years (3+5-12=4) and you can get us closer to being ready for Apollo?

My view is that we need to prepare for a rapid sequence--Apollo, build ship, launch. Otherwise, I forsee a potential for a space race after one of the AI's steals and shares the tech. That means wraping up white goods and shifting to freights and to a WOW when it becomes available; build up the Treasury with deliveries; and buy a fast ship, preferably in one turn.

We have 52 cities which is the bare minimum for a 5.7 yr ship; but, it doesn't look possible with our meager Treasury to get it built in one turn. We might be able to stockpile and position the 99 freights needed to do the "build Wonder and convert to SS part dance", and complete in one turn...but that would be a very narrow thing. Maybe a 10 yr ship makes better sense?? What is your thinking??

[Bloody Monk]

@ La Fayette

After looking over your last save I have a question or two, if you don't mind. Our playing styles are somewhat similar, somewhat different, and that's cool, doesn't mean one is "right or wrong".

A) Factories before Mass Transit...it's a pollution thing

Have you considered reversing that sequence so that we don't get swamped by Pollution, Skulls, Global Warming??? Especially, as we already have those problems??? I probably react too fast to those yellow triangles, but they do seem to be a bad thing. Is there some accepted wisdom you have that I could benifit from???

B) Supermarkets instead of Factories or Offshore Plt....it's a shield thing

Especially where there is already a Mass Transit. At this stage of the game, won't we need shields to build SS parts soon??? Food might be nice if we were to celebrate but that's not happening soon, I think.

C) Transforming grass to hills for mining

I know it take a while, but those cities are shield poor and I thought a mine would be very helpful. Any comments??

Just wondering....

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

La Fayette, are you finishing your turns, or should I jump in?

STYOM

[La Fayette]

STYOM
Please jump in!

BM
Interesting questions. I shall answer tomorrow because it is really very late now (in Europe I mean).

[Straybow]

Ha ha hee hee

Originally posted by La Fayette
…I played (and won!) several games with the UP, DOWN, LEFT and RIGHT keys, before noticing by accident that I was also allowed to travel NE, NW,SW and SE with help of '9', '7', '1' and '3' keys! …I had been compelled to develop a theory of combined forces from what I called 'left-handed' and 'right-handed' squares…

I think that tops any noob story I've ever heard—laughed myself silly

[kibitz] Bloody Monk:

A) Factories first. If nothing else, it takes fewer shield-heavy tiles to reach the nonpolluting limit, which frees up workers for trade tiles or specialists. Also the MT can be build faster after Factory, yes?

B) On the other hand, Supermarkets are half the cost of MT and can free up workers for shield-heavy tiles while you are building Factory and then MT…

C) Forestation provides 3 shields in 10/2 turns vs 4 shields in 20/2+10/2 turns for transforming to hills and mining (both assuming RR). You get a better return on investment and reap the benefit many turns sooner (even using multiple engrs).