Did they mess up the science wonders?

[SCG]

One could also argue the principle of diminishing returns. Since at some point you start getting less extra benefit for more effort put in. In this case, less extra science for slightly more shields. Ribannah seemed to try and point that out reguarding the JSB vs CfC, and you even demonstrate that with the increasing costs of getting 50% increase with marketplace/ bank/ stock exchange and library/ university/ reserach lab among other things.

Of course as with many debates, only an official word can really settle it, and that would be most likely from a Civ III release.

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SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

*goes off and starts gifting gold and techs*

[kcbob]

quote: Originally posted by Smash on 09-13-2000 06:55 PM The manual is wrong regarding Copernicus' Observatory and Sir Isaac's College.We all know that.Its basically backwards. But does it not make sense?Cope's is the cheaper of the 2(300 sheilds)(Isaac 400)and yet it is more powerful as it doubles the science in the city.Isaac's only gives 50% more. Seems like it should be the other way round. Some programmer made a boo-boo.

I think the percentages are 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other.

If you start with an initial city beaker production of, let's say, 12 beakers, and then throw in a library (50 % increase), Cop's (100% increase), a University (50% increase), and then Sir Isaac (50% increase), you get the following:

12*1.5=18(Library)
18*2=36(Cop's)
36*1.5=54(University)
54*1.5=81(Sir Isaac)

On the other hand, if you change Cop's to 50% and Sir Isaac to 100%, you get the following results:

12*1.5=18(Library)
18*1.5=27(Cop's)
27*1.5=40.5(University)
40.5*2=81(Sir Isaac)

The latter wonder (Sir Isaac's) should cost more since you should be able to produce more, i.e., more cities. Therefore, is there any real problem?

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[Ribannah]

Well, I'd say Apollo is the most powerful wonder ...

SETI is so late in the game that it rarely makes a difference towards victory. And you could always build Research Labs, so it merely saves money - and only if you have to build more than 3 labs.

Hanging Gardens is much better than Mike's, since you can always build Cathedrals but nothing will replace the HG. Also, because it is available so early, once more the effect is much greater.

Even the Lighthouse has a much greater effect than Magellan. Easy exploration early on is way more important than quicker movement later, when you could simply build a few more ships to compensate. And vet status, too!

Marco Polo beats the UN, too. IMHO the Hoover Dam may be the only major late wonder (not counting Apollo), for a large empire or if you can't build Hydroplants.

So, about all early wonders are clearly better than their later counterparts. But it takes longer to build them.

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[Smash]

Cope's doubles it.

I don't know.I think of The Lighthouse vs Magellans.Different but similiar as they are sea wonders.As you improve your naval capabilty,you are offered better boats and a better wonder(imo).

Or even Mich's vs The Gardens.Although strong arguments can be made for The Gardens being better,I think most figure Mich's as the better.

It just seems as you progress that bigger and better things would come.Isaac's requires more techs and more sheilds but is only half as good as Cope's.

Later you are offered a potentially strongest science wonder of all.SETI.

[Ribannah]

You are right: the manual has them mixed up.

I'm pretty sure it was done intentionally though. Copernicus comes much earlier in the game, when 300 shields are harder to come by than 400 shields later on. The same is true for Bach's Cathedral v Cure for Cancer: again double the effect at a lower price, but way sooner in the game.

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[Sten Sture]

I thought they were both +50% of base??

[Smash]

The manual is wrong regarding Copernicus' Observatory and Sir Isaac's College.We all know that.Its basically backwards.

But does it not make sense?Cope's is the cheaper of the 2(300 sheilds)(Isaac 400)and yet it is more powerful as it doubles the science in the city.Isaac's only gives 50% more.

Seems like it should be the other way round.


Some programmer made a boo-boo.