A NEW GOVERNMENT PROPOSAL

[H Tower]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Any and all organizations on the face of the planet has formal and informal lines of communication whether someone likes it or not.

I realize that

Maybe Im missing something here, some body please set me straight.

I don't see why we have to spell it out in writing though in our government rules. Spelling it out would mean some kind of formal communication, created by need, which I just don't think exists.

Is there any need for the two orgs to have a formal peice of writing done about how the two will intereact?

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by H Tower
I don't see why we have to spell it out in writing though in our government rules. Spelling it out would mean some kind of formal communication, created by need, which I just don't think exists.
Is there any need for the two orgs to have a formal peice of writing done about how the two will intereact?

Heck no! The communication will take place. OK I think we are on the same sheet of music. For some reason someone wants the communication method or whatever formalized and you're saying it doesn't have to be and I agree.

If Im a Marshall and Im not getting the units or reinforcements I need Im telling the Politburo.

If Im the General Secretary and the War isn't going in the Strategic direction I want it to go then Im telling the Stavka.

I mean the communication is just going to happen.

I think we agree here H, lets go on to the next topic.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I favour the new proposals, despite their resemblence to a bourgeois checks-and-balances system

Politburo - elected, decides who will be Marshal
Marshal - chooses STAVKA
STAVKA - fights the battles

[Bossy20000]

We are getting to a more realistic distribution of power every day! Soon, the military junta now in command will be replaced by a Supreme Soviet, a council of the people! And for those not following the party, well, there is enough space in the Gulag archipel to organise some vacation-education villages. Consider yourself warned!!

Out of role: This idea seems to get better every day I come by. Finally something to do for me (I don't want to play the actual game, for my exams will start soon and I could hold the game up).


Back in role:

Comrade Michaelovitch for Party Ideologist!

For a pure and even better Communism!!

[Henrik]

I think all front commanders should be on the stavka...

[conmcb25]

All in Favor of the Front Commander Union say Aye!

[conmcb25]

I think you guys need to be careful before you try and linit the power of the Marshall.

First of all its not realistic. I guarentee you that if Zhukov did n't like someone they had no say in what was going to happen or they were just gone!

Second of all you had a hard enough time before finding a Marshall. With redueced power if H Tower ever decides he is tired of it you will just increase your chances of having a hard time finding another one.

Plus I find it very interesting that several of the STAVKA members who were in a big hurry to get H back are now trying to reduce his power base.

Give the Marshall the power, make sure you handle your fronts well, and you wont have anything to worry about.

[Iron Chancellor]

In addition to the front commanders should be any number of additional "Staff Officers" whose job should be to offer outside opinion and if need be play for the front commanders. Whether they HAVE to be in STAVKA, I don't know.

[Bossy20000]

I surely think we should not reduce or limit the power of the marshal in Military matters, but we might grant him less or no power in more civil matters (for example, what to produce in the Ural, where to build new non-front citeis, etc)

The task of the Marshal is to run the war, not the country. There should be some (or even a lot) of input from the military in these matters, but the final decision should come from the Politburo. We could leave all tactical issues to STAVKA, and decide on strategic issues in the Politburo, where we have the Marshal as an advisor (an important one, but still an advisor).

Strategic is city location, wonders, improvements to build, etc , but not what unit to build in a certain city (but then again, the politburo decides which cities can build units).

The Politburo will be slower in making decisions (more discussions), so we will need some flexibility. It will be a difficult thing to keep a balance between both institutions (Politburo and STAVKA), but that could make it more fun

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Iron Chancellor
In addition to the front commanders should be any number of additional "Staff Officers" whose job should be to offer outside opinion and if need be play for the front commanders. Whether they HAVE to be in STAVKA, I don't know.

this is a democracy game, everyone should offer their opinion on everything, no matter what role they are playing

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Bossy20000
I surely think we should not reduce or limit the power of the marshal in Military matters, but we might grant him less or no power in more civil matters (for example, what to produce in the Ural, where to build new non-front citeis, etc)

The Marshal has never had this power, the economic and armaments minister are in charge of that right now

[Shaka Naldur]

Originally posted by conmcb25

Plus I find it very interesting that several of the STAVKA members who were in a big hurry to get H back are now trying to reduce his power base.

I thought we sign a peace treaty

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur


I thought we sign a peace treaty

We did, who said that Im specifically talking about you?

Im just making a statement that is my opinion based on what I have read in this thread. But it is just that my opinion.

I didn't use anyones name. And i dont intend to.

Is there anything in that statement that is not true?

[Shaka Naldur]

no, you were just giving your opinion

[PinkyGen]

Front Commanders should serve at the whim of the Marshall (who for all intents and purposes is Zhukov), but all should be in STAVKA (there is only 4 or 5, right?). No official channel, but I think the sacking of all front commanders would concern the Politburo to look into the actions of the Marshall. It is not so much checks and balances as the capitalists use, as all power eventually lies in the Politburo, which of course represents the will of the dictatorship of the proletariot in building our glorious workers paradise.