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    First the posts from the Knesset Election thread:

    Originally posted by H Tower
    I regret to inform you that the elections have most likely been tampered with. A member of our game has been using a double login in our forum. Upon seeing the unusual posting of a new member of our group I contacted Ming and asked for him to perform a check. Unfortunately I was correct, and SABRA is indeed a double login of Panag.

    Now I do not hold the One Israel Party responsible in anyway for the actions of one of it's members. However I do expect that whatever the final tally is for voting, that the One Israel Party vote tally be counted as one lower than it appears to take into the account of Panag cheating.

    I leave it to the rest of the community to decide whether further action needs to be taken against Panag/SABRA.
    Originally posted by PinkyGen
    I am saddened by the findings Htower has made. It reflects poorly on Panag, and besmirches the party as a whole. I find it sad that only would resort to such lengths in attempt to rig what is a comparitively silly election of what is essentially just supposed to be a good natured game. But if people cheat in PBEM's, I guess it can be done here as well.

    I think people should realize that this is just a game, that is meant to be fun. In the end we are all the same side.

    Now what will happen.

    1. Obviously, Sabra's vote should not be counted.
    2. According to Poly rules, Panag is banned for two weeks.
    3. It remains to be decided what action "we" , as citizens of the Exodus Democracy game, shall decide upon. Is panag to be re-admitted in two weeks time as the ban expires, or should more pernament action be taken?

    Panag, if you wish to plead your case, PM me a statement, and I'll post it here. I will only post one thing, because I do not wish for this action be construed as a way of circumventing the Poly ban.
    Well that just about sums it up. It is a fact he has a D/L, double login, which is a big no no in the Forum rules.

    But worse yet it appears he used that double login to vote twice!

    That my friends is cheating plain and simple!

    I hate cheaters, I DESPISE them! My recommendation is castration. Thats what I think cheaters deserve, however, I dont think we can do that here.

    SO what are we going to do? My vote is to have him IP banned from this forum, forever.

    Sorry but this game hasn't even started and he has appeared to have cheated.

    Also if he is not IP banned from here, Im afraid several more of us may leave ( me included.) Sorry I just dont play with cheaters. And Im not willing to use a project of this scope to prove that he is reformed.

    So the decision is up to us. I think we need to discuss here possible options and then decide upon a course of action.

    Lets start talking! Thanks!
    Last edited by conmcb25; October 6, 2003, 23:32.
    *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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    While your opinion is noted, we aren't here to punish panag for what he did or didn't do in another forum, this thread is for members of the Exodus DG to debate what panag's fate will be here.

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    • #3
      i fall back on the ZOG conspiracy theory. i knew panag was part of it way back when, but no one believed me.
      "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
      - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Uber KruX
        i fall back on the ZOG conspiracy theory. i knew panag was part of it way back when, but no one believed me.
        ZOG conspiracy? I need a link. Just curious.
        *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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        • #5
          That was a very very bad thing by panag.
          urgh.NSFW

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          • #6
            Did Panag do that?! I hate to say this that I fully agree with conmcb25/pinkygen (I checked 5 times did I write the name correctly )
            "[A thoughtful Quote]" -Oscar Wilde

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Azazel
              That was a very very bad thing by panag.
              Well I think we all agree on that! The question is what do you think we ought to do about it?
              *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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              • #8
                I do not know panag well enough that I have a right to judge him.
                But I support harsh policy towards cheaters. Cheating like this may not be tolerated. This game is for fun. People who cheat in a game like this obviously have misunderstood something there.
                Therefore I think panag should be banned.

                Remember I have nothing against panag personally, and I wish him well. This harsh treatment to cheaters must apply to everyone.

                My opinion.
                Follow the masses!
                30,000 lemmings can't be wrong!

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                • #9
                  Hopefully the previous post by Shiber is enough for you to reach a decision Azazel.

                  There is no permanent penalties.

                  I assume Sabra is perma-banned (thats the usual way for Apoly to deal with a d/l) and after the two week ban for panag he can post here again as usual UNLESS we decide to do something about it.

                  Apoly staff has a pretty hands off approach to cheating, it needs to be policed by us and with enough proof we can ask the Staff to do something about it. IMHO opinion we have enough here to get him ISP banned from this forum. If I didn't I would not have suggested it.

                  If you want to hear panag's side send him an email or PM.

                  I don't personnally want to wait till he comes back. I heard rumors about his CIV3 DEMOGAME antics last night. I dont need to hear from him. As far as Im concerned this has just been verified by Shabra. And why else do you think we just had THREE CIV 3 guys post in our forum. Obviously they feel strongly about doing something about him.

                  If we are going to ISP ban him I say do it BEFORE the two weeks is up. But hey thats just me.

                  If you guys want to have this big debate with him when he comes back that fine by me. But dont expect me to either join it or stick around.

                  Sorry but my time is precious and I have better things to do than that. Im here to play this demo game not hear from cheaters.

                  Just let me know either way.
                  *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                  • #10
                    Two more things.
                    First, I would not feel comfortable about banning panag before he hasn't been given a chance to defend himself. Sorry. I say, give him a chance and judge later. If he does not take the chance, ban him. If what he says does not excuse what he has done, ban him. But give him the chance.

                    Second, if there is popular demand for this, let's set up some game rules. Just like defining what is cheating and what is the punishment.
                    Follow the masses!
                    30,000 lemmings can't be wrong!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stefan Härtel
                      Two more things.
                      First, I would not feel comfortable about banning panag before he hasn't been given a chance to defend himself. Sorry. I say, give him a chance and judge later. If he does not take the chance, ban him. If what he says does not excuse what he has done, ban him. But give him the chance.

                      Second, if there is popular demand for this, let's set up some game rules. Just like defining what is cheating and what is the punishment.
                      Stefan do you REALLY want to do this? We have around a dozen people here that are going to put a lot of time into this Demo game. What if he says he is going to come clean, he does, and then screws around with a save file after 6 months and proceeds to ruin the game for all?

                      You see thats my point. If you want to give him a chance go play a PBEM with him. But here it is going to affect all of us and could screw up the whole game. Sorry but Im not willing to take that risk.

                      Again this is just mho, but I feel very strongly about it.
                      *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                      • #12
                        I don't know panag very well to judge him, but I do believe in zero tolerance towards cheaters.

                        I think the Party also needs to take action...

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                        • #13
                          One last thing and then Im going to shut up for a while.

                          What should we be doing right now?

                          Spending our time talking about panag? Or forming a government and playing this PBEM?

                          See my point here? As far as Im concerned, I have already spent WAY to much time on this issue.

                          GET RID OF HIM!

                          Have a nice day
                          *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by yaroslav
                            I also hate cheaters, and specially, PBEM and DLs-cheaters. I'll close this thread tomorrow, so we'll no lose more time with this topic (I'm having computers problems, for instance, my monitor is broken, so sorry for no being as active as I'd like).
                            And I said I was going to shut up for a while!!!!!!

                            Ya I know I just can't help myself.

                            Yaro I think you need to reconsider on closing this. We need to reach a group decision on what we are going to do. Then close it. Thats just mho. Ill try and get ahold of you on AIM if you want to discuss further. (If your computer can handle it).
                            *"Winning is still the goal, and we cannot win if we lose (gawd, that was brilliant - you can quote me on that if you want. And con - I don't want to see that in your sig."- Beta

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                            • #15
                              Ok, I see your point, but there is few things that we can do. As I see it:

                              * For the next two weeks we don't need to care about panag or any of their DLs.

                              * After the two weeks is possible that he'll not return to this game (he was cathing cheating...)

                              * Only if he come back, then we'll need to set-up a response, and then we can decide. There is no need to decide now, specially when here is people that want to hear them, and it is no directly possible right not.

                              Just my humble opinion.

                              And no, my computer can't handle AIM right now. In fact, I'm browsing this forum with 640x480 resolution, and it is a pain in the ... the thing under the back, you know.
                              Trying to rehabilitateh and contribuing again to the civ-community

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