All important decisions to date - A VPs report

[Marquis de Sodaq]

I remember a discussion about tied polls. I think we repolled that 3 times, because each one ended in a tie. Anyway, I think the final outcome was that the minister decides what to choose. This was because he is not just a polling puppet, but an advisor - one who makes a leadership decision.

[MrWhereItsAt]

The impeachment idea is, in my mind, just so that, if evidence of the Prez not following the polls emerges the VP polls on whether to impeach or not. Or maybe, since anyone can do this, this means the VP takes over until the next election, which is really a regular rule if for some reason the Prez cannot complete his term.

All OK with that? I'll update all of this as soon as enough of the points have been nutted out.

[-Jrabbit]

On Impeachment -- The VP would take over and -- for that very reason -- should NOT be the one who ousts the Prez. I think any High Council member (yes, including the VP) should be permitted to protest the President's actions and suggest articles of impeachment.

Actual Impeachment MUST be via a (3-day?) poll of the Citizens, and should require a strong majority (two-thirds?).

On Deciding Tied Polls -- I feel strongly that this is the province of each individual Minister!!!!!!! The poll is posted, the ppl vote and comment. If there is no conclusive poll winner, it seems clear (to me) that the Particular Expertise of the Proper Minister should be the deciding factor on the issue. A repoll would only decide which ppl happened to be online at the time, not the actual will of The ppl.

On Elections -- Your Historian feels strongly that there should be a rule against running for more than one position in a given election.

On MWIA -- Great job plumbing the threads to bring this together. You have great potential as a future Historian!

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
I'll update all of this as soon as enough of the points have been nutted out.

"nutted out"?????????????

[civman2000]

Impeachment ideas:
1. For advisors, 1/2 of the council and 1/2 of the people is needed to impeach. Deputy takes over or if there is no deputy VP takes over.
2. For prez, 1/2 of council and 2/3 of people needed to impeach, VP takes over.

[JCP]

Re: All important decisions to date - A VPs report

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Prez:

Plays the game

VP:

Posts nomination thread
Posts election polls
Impeaches the Prez if the ppl are unhappy (strictly, if the Prez doesn't follow the poll results)
Becomes Minister if that Minister is absent for 24hr
Becomes Prez in event of abdication - holds position until next elections

Nobody is better served than by himself !
The first function of the VP and his original one is supplying Prez :
Becomes Prez in event of abdication or impeachment,...until next elections
As it was not harrassing, we complete with initiating and organizing elections at the end of the month
And no other task but taking part as a conscientious citizen
There is no need of a replacement of a Ministry for one day !

[MrWhereItsAt]

Thank you all kindly for your VERY helpful clarifications and views on matters. I will update the top list of things whenever I wake up tomorr-, er, today with the working methods and understandings (as cavebear put it), and identify a few others for potential polling/submission to the Constitution committee (oops another thing to arrange ) when that is set up.

And JCP - the only reason there is so much listed under responsibilities for the VP is that at least twice in our history the issue of what the VP does came up. Both times new things were added to the list and few ppl realized that there were already a couple. Most of what I am responsible for are for events that have never (and hopefully WILL never) happen, eg Ministerial disappearance. Otherwise I agree that it looks like I have too much power (is it possible for one to have too much power? ), although I don't have much to do in the normal way of things.

When I update the top post you will all see that I (and all VPs) are nothing but a glorified backup, and the person who tells ppl to vote for a Cabinet.

The power!!!

[JCP]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
On Impeachment -- The VP would take over and -- for that very reason -- should NOT be the one who ousts the Prez.

Actual Impeachment MUST be via a (3-day?) poll of the Citizens, and should require a strong majority (two-thirds?).

I fully agree.

[civman2000]

but impeachment should also always require the agreement of the majority of the council too.

[James Adams]

I think that we need our committee of four, which I advise to be of 10 members now, will half for and half against a constitution to have or not a set of constitutions and rules as soon as possible!

[MrWhereItsAt]

OK! The top post has been edited to include everyone's helpful reminders of the things I so stupidly missed in my quest for the truth. If there's anything ever to add to these - contact me or post here - I may get this topped.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Just a shameless bump. I could get this topped (and I may do so now the Committee is a go), but at the moment we have far too many topped threads!

[James Adams]

Go for it!

[MrWhereItsAt]

Bumped for new members.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Updated with new (old) results.