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**Ming** · January 25, 2003, 23:30

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
What proof?

Identical IP and servers... and the first post was made right after you were restricted, and it defended your actions... and then only posts when you are restricted...
Did he post on topic first or even off topic... no, his first two posts were long winded defenses of you...

I rest my case.

The disturbing aspect is some innocent nobody got permanently banned and is probably still scratching their head about it.

The funny aspect about this is that you really think somebody is going to believe you.

**Alexander's Horse** · January 26, 2003, 02:45

Originally posted by Ming

Identical IP and servers...

But not IP number - come clean Ming. I never get the same number twice, why would he? I use Australia's largest isp - about 70-80% of the market. Surprise, surprise, someone else here uses it!!!!!

and the first post was made right after you were restricted, and it defended your actions... and then only posts when you are restricted...

Not true. That was years ago iircc. And only one time.

Did he post on topic first or even off topic... no, his first two posts were long winded defenses of you...

That simply isn't true, that poster posted nothing about me when you restricted him - show the posts. There was no defence of me, he just happened to post at the wrong time. And I believe that poster has posted on topic. My theory is he reemerged for the launch of Civ3. I've seen him on the civ 2 forum.

I rest my case.

Which is falling apart, so it probably does need a rest.

Some of your posts here have been quite misleading.

**Ming** · January 26, 2003, 03:41

I showed his first two posts he ever made earlier in this thread... go back and look at them. They were talking specifically about YOU and your restriction... amazing that he posted right after you were restricted... about you... and with IDENTICAL IP addresses and server..

Give it up... you just look silly.

And yes, he only has posted when you were restricted. Anybody can look up his posting history

**spartak** · January 26, 2003, 05:26

How can you look up the posting history of someone who doesn't appear on the member's list?

**Skanky Burns** · January 26, 2003, 05:41

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
But not IP number - come clean Ming. I never get the same number twice, why would he? I use Australia's largest isp - about 70-80% of the market. Surprise, surprise, someone else here uses it!!!!!

Yeah, like anyone else would be silly enough to use Telstra.

**Alexander's Horse** · January 26, 2003, 06:44

Originally posted by Ming
I showed his first two posts he ever made earlier in this thread... go back and look at them.

Crap. Those are not the 2 first posts he ever made! He's been around a lot longer than that.

They were talking specifically about YOU and your restriction... amazing that he posted right after you were restricted... about you...

So what? Is everyone who posts after me my DL? And you have mislead everyone on this thread by making it look like those posts just happened and that was why he was banned. So dishonest of you, tut, tut. Those posts were made 1 or 2 years ago!!!!!!

and with IDENTICAL IP addresses and server..

Yes, just like several million other Australians. Again, so what? Bigpond has several million customer with IDENTICAL IP addresses - WOW!

Give it up... you just look silly.

No you look silly, your "case" is full of holes

And yes, he only has posted when you were restricted. Anybody can look up his posting history

Wrong again. I have seen this poster online and posting when I have been. Its like the big lie - say it over and over and someone will believe you eh Ming!

And yes please - post his posting history. And then tell us how many posts were about me. 1%? 2%? 0.03%? Did you post the only posts that were ever about me? And reading the posts btw, they don't seem to be about me at all!!!

The fact is you acted on rumour rather than fact and you never asked me.

**MrWhereItsAt** · January 26, 2003, 10:04

Erm... where is this going?

**Dauphin** · January 26, 2003, 10:06

Perhaps Ming could send the guy an e-mail and see what response he gets.

**Rasbelin** · January 26, 2003, 10:13

I know. I still wonder how AH is going to explain that.

**Dauphin** · January 26, 2003, 10:24

If he can get a hold of him, he and AH can post simultaneously and have a conversation to disprove Ming.

I'm sure AH can find someone out there who would be willing to use the DL's account to exonerate him.

**DrSpike** · January 26, 2003, 11:10

Originally posted by Big Crunch
If he can get a hold of him, he and AH can post simultaneously and have a conversation to disprove Ming.

I'm sure AH can find someone out there who would be willing to use the DL's account to exonerate him.

Well the second statement shows why the first would prove nothing.

**Ming** · January 26, 2003, 13:30

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Crap. Those are not the 2 first posts he ever made! He's been around a lot longer than that.

Hmmmm... his join date was 12/7/00... and following is the first post he made based on his posting history on 12/8/00

Can a new guy comment?

I saw this argument. Mr Ming asked them to stop and after a couple of parting shots each they did. Ming just asked them to stop nicely, he didn't seem ticked off, he didn't issue a warning or threaten bans or anything, and they complied pretty fast. So it looked like it was all over.

Then a long time after it was over and done with, like about 4 or 5 hours later, the Mark G guy comes online and brings the long dead thread to the top and bans the Horse guy! My conclusion was the Mark guy did it because he likes the Lancer guy and doesn't like Alexander Horse.

Is that a problem?

And this was posted right after your little run in with Lancer that got you restricted... Hmmmm... he joins right after you get restricted, and posts this as his first post.
He doesn't post on topic or off topic first... he joins up and his first comment is that MarkG doesn't like horsie.

Yes, just like several million other Australians. Again, so what? Bigpond has several million customer with IDENTICAL IP addresses - WOW!

Yeah... identical IP addresses from two different servers that you use... not one, but two

No you look silly, your "case" is full of holes

I think you are the one that looks silly here.

Wrong again. I have seen this poster online and posting when I have been. Its like the big lie - say it over and over and someone will believe you eh Ming!

Aren't you doing the same thing

The big difference, not matter how many times you deny it, no one will believe you

And yes please - post his posting history. And then tell us how many posts were about me. 1%? 2%? 0.03%? Did you post the only posts that were ever about me? And reading the posts btw, they don't seem to be about me at all!!!

I posted his first two posts here... they kind of sum it up nicely. And the rest of history is like following your restrictions history. THE ONLY time he has ever posted is when you have been restricted. And then, after he doesn't post for a long time, he magically reappeared the next time you got restricted. At that point, I did the IP search and restricted your DL.

The fact is you acted on rumour rather than fact and you never asked me.

One... why would ask you? "Hey AH, is this one of your DL's"....

And second... I restricted him based ON FACTS, as I have pointed out above.

So deny all you want... try to claim that it wasn't done on facts... make yourself look silly... I don't really care.
Your DL is toast, and that's a simple fact.

And yes, finding a friend of yours to pose as Rimmer so you can claim you are both on line at the same time would really prove nothing... it would just be another lame attempt on your part... just like your DL was in the first place....

**Rasbelin** · January 26, 2003, 13:44

Ming,

wouldn't it be clever to close this thread as Horsie won't give up and this has gone quite off-topic?

**Alexander's Horse** · January 26, 2003, 19:07

I agree, this isn't getting us anywhere.

**Dauphin** · January 26, 2003, 20:02

I could have told you that two pages ago.

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