Civ4 forum. Why not?

[player1]

When CTP2 get out many people where disappointed. Especially after first (and only patch).

Then forums cleared up & only those who liked to play CTP2 stayed.

Like me.

So why there is no Civ4 forum?
It would be nice to clear things up in Civ3 genaral, since it lost its purpose.

Which is:
General discussion on Civ3 (NOT why civ3 is bad forum)

[Martin Gühmann]

As I figuered out that the modded CTP2 is the Real Civ4 (See somewere in the CTP1 forum), we don't need a new Civ4 forum, because we already have it.

So we don't need a forum for Sid Meyer's next Civ clone now.

-Martin

[player1]

Originally posted by Martin Gühmann
As I figuered out that the modded CTP2 is the Real Civ4 (See somewere in the CTP1 forum), we don't need a new Civ4 forum, because we already have it.

So we don't need a forum for Sid Meyer's next Civ clone now.

-Martin

Martin, with all resperct to your CTP2 enthusiasm, you are wrong.
If you are right, then all those people like yin, vengar (partialy true), dissident, liberatian, etc... , would come to CTP2 forums.

As it is now, they all still hang on Civ3 - General forum.


Anyway that late game tedium in Civ3 never actully exised in CTP2, since it had much better combat, PW and managment system (although CTP1 national manager was better).
Still, with all MODs together, AI is still poor.

Only thing wich made late game tedium in CTP2 for me was memory leak in late game wich made CIV3 much quicker game then CTP2 (at leat for me).

And it was fun moding CTP2.

I never actully played it a lot.
Finished science victory only once (with my own MOD).

[ColdWizard]

Re: Civ4 forum. Why not?

Originally posted by player1
It would be nice to clear things up in Civ3 genaral

requests/petitions for new forums should be made in the Apolyton/Community forum

[Martin Gühmann]

Yin26 made a dicission, he was disapointed about CTP1, so decided not to support Activion, never bought CTP2 he just borrowed a copy to test a relative unmodded version. And he is right about the unmodded version. So he can't judge modded versions. But anyway I respect his decision, and therefore I can't expect that he will come to the CTP2 forum.

So finally you only complain about the poor AI: Peter is working on the new DiploMod, and he figured out that the AI does not employ its war strategies even it is at war. That could be fixed through slic. Decreases of the force matches will make the AI more aggressive (as Dale did in Cradle). And reducing the pollution happiness affect will make it easier for the AI to cope with the human, I have to increase the costs for the special attack incide revolution so that won't be so easy to devide your enimies. So CTP2 will be better than Civ"3" it could be ever.

-Martin

[player1]

Originally posted by Martin Gühmann
Yin26 made a dicission, he was disapointed about CTP1, so decided not to support Activion, never bought CTP2 he just borrowed a copy to test a relative unmodded version. And he is right about the unmodded version. So he can't judge modded versions. But anyway I respect his decision, and therefore I can't expect that he will come to the CTP2 forum.

So finally you only complain about the poor AI: Peter is working on the new DiploMod, and he figured out that the AI does not employ its war strategies even it is at war. That could be fixed through slic. Decreases of the force matches will make the AI more aggressive (as Dale did in Cradle). And reducing the pollution happiness affect will make it easier for the AI to cope with the human, I have to increase the costs for the special attack incide revolution so that won't be so easy to devide your enimies. So CTP2 will be better than Civ"3" it could be ever.

-Martin

About AI:
I know about LIMITATIONS (things wich can't be moded in CTP2) and they are greater then is CTP1 (sadly). Theoreticaly AI can be improved even more, but it NEEDS LOOT OF CODING.

Look hexagonian Cradle thread and my post at the start of the page (or end of previous).

CTP2 will be better only when more people start playing it.

Or even complaing about it (that means that they have played the game).
It can be suprising how many people don't know about differencies between CTP1 & CTP2. Mostly they judge feature in one version and complaing about another (wich they didn't played).


P.S.
Hmm...
Am I posting out of topic?
This is Civ3 - General forum.

[player1]

Re: Re: Civ4 forum. Why not?

Originally posted by ColdWizard

requests/petitions for new forums should be made in the Apolyton/Community forum

Yes, but Civ3 - General can benefit from it.
Like less trafic, new forum about great ideas, making civ3-general serve its purpose.


Anyway, its better to have Civ4 forum then some sort Civ3 complains or even Civ3 is worst game ever forum.

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted player1
P.S.
Hmm...
Am I posting out of topic?
This is Civ3 - General forum.

Don't worry player1 you're on topic, your thread is just in the wrong forum it should be in the forum of the real Civ4 the CTP2 forum. Markos should just move this thread and everything would be right.

So let me explain why it is the real Civ4:

Activion got the Civilisation licence. They owned it and therefore the had the right to work on a Civ3 and that's the reason why they worked on the Civ3_project and called it finally Civilisation: Call to Power.

And on the top of the Civ3.ldl we find this:

#######################################
# File: C:\civ3_project\civ3_data\english\uidata\layouts\c iv3.ldl
# Last Access: Mon Jun 01 13:01:30 1998
#######################################

So we saw:

CivCTP = sequel to Civ2

For CTP2 it is obvious:

CTP2 = sequel to CivCTP

So we have to conclude:

CivCTP = Civ3

And threrfore:

CTP2 = Civ4

Maybe you have an objection, as CTP2 out of the box is not finished and the changes are to less from CTP1 so CTP2 would be just an expansion pack to CTP1, so CTP2 out of the box would be Civ3.5. And this would be also the point of view of an CTP2 alpha/beta tester. From the alpha/beta tester point of view we have to judge Civ"3" as a Civ2.5. But I can counter with the fact that mods acts like expansion packs, and the best thing is that they are free. So I can really say that I already play the real Civ4.

So all these people who are hanging around the Civ"3" forum, only played at least Civ3.5 and not Civ4. They think there is no help about CTP2 and thought it is the worst crap that they ever saw and waited for Sid to downgrate to Civ2.5 finally.

So lets go to the CTP2 forum. There we don't need to talk about Civ3.5 or Civ2.5, there we can talk about the real Civ4.

-Martin

[player1]

Anyway,

Martin,

I wish you good luck in improving CTP2?
Yes CTP2 is a great game is MODed properly


Still, all those people in Civ3-General need new forum.
They need to "dream" about some better game, not to chat about already exsisiting game (both CTP2 & Civ3) which they didn't liked.

[player1]

Hmm, I espected more responeses from those people who need such forum.

I guess they only read threads starting at:
-is civ3 a good game?
-stupid Ai
-I am bored
-Poll: why is civ3 bad game
-blah, blah, blah...


P.S.
Yoking of course.

[Immortal Wombat]

CtP2 has crap AI,
Civ3 has unresolvable balance issues, and no MP or scenario capacity.

You'd think there would be more enthusiasm about a Civ3 mod for CtP2...

[- Groucho -]

You aren't getting much response for two reasons: Martin threadjacked you and the whiners don't like to recognise that they are whiners, so this thread would just be too uncomfortable to post in.

But you're right - it would be nice if they were moved somewhere else.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by player1
CTP2 will be better only when more people start playing it.

But that is EXACTLY what is happening right now. Since the release of Civ3 there has been quite an influx of new players AND modders on the CtP2 forums and both Venger and Yin *are* among them (although Yin is there 'on invitation' and I doubt he will stay). I'm beginning to think Civ3 is the best thing that ever happened to the CtP community

[H Tower]

maybe because there won't be a civ4 until after the the scenario add on, the the second scenario add on, the multiplayer add on and the revamp addition? and those won't be done for at least 5 years. so why bother with a civ4 forum?

[player1]

Originally posted by Locutus


But that is EXACTLY what is happening right now. Since the release of Civ3 there has been quite an influx of new players AND modders on the CtP2 forums and both Venger and Yin *are* among them (although Yin is there 'on invitation' and I doubt he will stay). I'm beginning to think Civ3 is the best thing that ever happened to the CtP community

Still, not enough.
You've got players.
Now you need new MODers.
(no, not me, I have probably finished with CTP2)

P.S.
But,

Still have CTP2 CD,

(and MODs)

so...



P.P.S.

hey, Martin...
What have you actually extracted from my own CTP2 mod?

Can you help hexagonian to add those things in Cradle.

So they can "befefit" from my knowledge of AI.