Risk 2: Better than Civ3

[Imran Siddiqui]

Then you can't say ANY game cheats against the player. Because you really can never have proof. Yet, it is obvious in plenty of games, and very easy to do in games involving dice.

[yin26]

Sorry, Imran: See 'save your breath' above.

[Imran Siddiqui]

*yawn*

You apologist

[yin26]

In Civ3, we know what bonuses the comp gets. It's standard procedure to tell us. I just don't buy that a game run SOLELY on dice would load the results without telling people. And I don't take 'feeling' as a good indicator, either.

As I said, I sometimes have amazing runs of good and bad luck. That's random for you. Now, I can readily buy the fact that on harder levels the AI gangs up on you.

Still, one good link to the developer saying dice are loaded on higher levels and *bam* I'll delete the game.

[Jodo Kast]

RISK 2

Risk 2 is a BORE next to CIV3.

I got sick of watching the armies play the same animation over and over again, so I turned it off.

Then it got boring watching numbers point at each other and blow up. And annoying as well.

It is fun playing RISK2 Multiplayer - of course - but Civilization 3 is much better at Single Player.

In that way Risk 2 reminds me of Wolfenstein, with bad SP but fun MP. However usually 'strangers' annoy me so I'd rather play against AI if my friends aren't online.

[yin26]

But for what it is, Risk 2 delivers far more and with far more competence than does Civ3.

[Father Beast]

Originally posted by yin26
But for what it is, Risk 2 delivers far more and with far more competence than does Civ3.

That's an interesting qualification. That's like saying that for what it is, My 84' chevrolet car delivers far more and with far more competence than the United States 43' (or something) battleship.
If I say, "for what it is", I can make all sort of absurd statements like that.

[yin26]

This is the point: Risk2 delivers what it promises. Civ3 fails. Which would you rather play: A modest game done very well or a puff of smoke akin to pulling your teeth out.

This is the point, indeed, that any number of even simple games are far more fun and well done than Civ3.

[Urban Ranger]

You surely have some strange sense of fun, Yin I don't know, the computer players in <em>Risk 2</em> are utterly incompetent in doing anything systemetic. They can't play, they can't bid. I would say it's far easier to do a good AI for <em>Risk</em> than for <em>Civ</em>, but the team failed.

So they chose to have computer players gang up on the human player in the tournament. Result? Utterly boring game and extremely frustrating tournament.

If you found that fun, keep away from me

[Zealot]

Originally posted by yin26
Loaded dice? If you can provide proof of that, I'll quickly rack up another uninstall. One wonders, however, if people aren't just *****ing. You know, 'random' sometimes yields odd results.

Oh come on, Yin! Now you're disappointing me! Loaded dices have been present in every TBS game in history! This has been so in Civ 1, in MoO 1, etc, etc! Don't tell me you never figured that out! Or tell me that you aren't a gamer since you're a little boy...

About the Tournament mode, Starcraft also gangs every AI against you in melee mode. If you want them to fight among each other, you have to play the Free For All mode. One can have fun both ways.

[yin26]

Nope. Show me the loaded dice that aren't explained by the developer according to difficulty level. Like I said, this 'gut feeling' garbage is just garbage. A number of people, in fact, felt that Civ3 was using loaded results ... until somebody ran some extensive tests and found out: Nope.

So I repeat, show me where Risk is using loaded dice. Until then, I'd rather not see your puked up gut-feelings. Thank you.

[Dis]

so should I buy risk 2 or not?

[yin26]

Well, it's an awfully 'simple' game, of course, though simultaneous moves and tournament mode are great twists. One of the great things is you can finish a game within 30 minutes or so. It's got good polish, though animations and such are repetitive, that's true.

Heck, if you find it cheap, give it a try! It's great for quick, not particularly taxing gaming.

[Ted Striker]

The problem here yin, is that you went into Civ3 with unrealistic, impossible to meet, expectations. There was no way that game was ever going to live up to your expectations no matter how good or bad it was.

Civ3 + impossible expectations = A letdown
Risk2 + no expectations = game surpasses expectations

[yin26]

Well, on my expectation scale, Civ3 got a 'C' -- not a failure, per se, but not something one would really want to invest a lot of time in. Seems like a lot of people share that feeling as the game stands now. But it's not only about expectations: It's about things Civ3 simply failed deliver in game mechanics, things that simply make the game tedious.

Risk2, for all its simplicity, certainly isn't tedious. It might not stretch your brain cells too much, but it moves along nicely. This is one of the major problems Civ3 needed to address.