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  • #1

    Post Count Democratization Movement


    The last attempt to start the Movement had a short run but then faded away, so it must be started again!

    Apolyton has one of the most heirarchial boards anywhere on the Internet! Let's take a look at some of the problems with the situation. Feel free to add more if you want, and also let's here what you say with the poll!

    Spamming to run up post counts
    -Mass bannings as a result
    -Waste of forum bandwidth resources
    -Waste of user's time

    Stratification of forum society
    -Possibly deters newcomers
    -Encourages newcomers to spam
    -Requires additional forum rules like no emperor-only threads, etc

    Titles
    -Eurocentric (Anglocentric?)
    -Male only
    -Anti-democratic

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    -Encourages more spamming (See #1)
    -Focuses people on OT forum instead of actual civ forums

    The answer?
    the PCDM- make everyone a citizen. Equal rights for all! I don't consider some of those "Deitys" to be deserving of their title, and I'll bet a good chunk of the forum doesn't either.
    17
    YES
    52.94%
    9
    NO
    47.06%
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    There are reasons why I believe mankind should live in cities and let nature reclaim all the villages with the exception of a few we keep on display as horrific reminders of rural life.-Starchild
    Meat eating and the dominance and force projected over animals that is acompanies it is a gateway or parallel to other prejudiced beliefs such as classism, misogyny, and even racism. -General Ludd
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  • #2
    Deja Vu

    Wasn't I taking about this to Horse? No matter. Making all posters equal is alright by me.
    I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
    i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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    • #3
      Everybody Sing!

      Kumbayah my lord, Kumbayah Oh lord, Kumbayah

      Someone's praying lord, Kumbayah Oh lord, Kumbayah

      Someone's singing lord, Kumbayah Oh lord, Kumbayah

      Kumbayah my lord, Kumbayah Oh lord, Kumbayah

      Someone's shouting lord, Kumbayah Oh lord, Kumbayah


      I'm all for it.
      Here's a link.

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      • #4
        Erm..


        Spamming to run up post counts
        -Mass bannings as a result
        -Waste of forum bandwidth resources
        -Waste of user's time

        Stratification of forum society
        -Possibly deters newcomers
        -Encourages newcomers to spam
        ...who will get PCRs and learn that the two aspects (titles and bannings) work together to form a stable board where people with higher status are to be admired and aspired to. an example of how commitment and long-standing posting can reap rewards (I do not include certain OT posters in that statement, I meant predominantly the actual Civ boards. That is why the decision to cut the OT post-count was good. )
        I would like to see the OT have a separate post-count, maybe even be an Apolyton hosted site. (ACOL isnt really a SMAC site anymore is it?) Then the OT count would count, but only "over there." In the Apolyton <b>CS</b> boards, there would be a realistic count for how much you post about Civ.

        -Requires additional forum rules like no emperor-only threads, etc
        Oh no!

        -Eurocentric (Anglocentric?)
        How would you work a "Shah", "Tsar" or "President"?
        If you included them with "king" or "prince" titles, then you'd have to make then above or below each other, then you'd have complaints that "Tsar should by rights be above king " etc. You need (if you're going to have at all) a single heirachy. The Euro-centric one is good, as it is the best-know feudal system. I'm sure they could implement an Indian caste-style heirarchy, but who'd understand ?
        -Male only
        Cheiftain and Warlord and Deity are sexless, and there are both Princesses and Queens at Apolyton. The fact that there are very few females here anyway means that it isn't a big issue, ladies can ask Mark to give them a female title
        -Anti-democratic
        So is Communism, which is the result of making everyone "citizen".
        A democratic board would be "President" (10000+), "Senator" (3000+), "Consul" (1000+), "Tribune" (300+), "voter" ( < 300)

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        -Encourages more spamming (See #1)
        -Focuses people on OT forum instead of actual civ forums
        Even without the post count in the OT forums?
        If people have actually come here for Civ, then the OT will only appeal after they've been here for a while, and got a few posts anyway.

        The answer?
        the PCDM- make everyone a citizen. Equal rights for all! I don't consider some of those "Deitys" to be deserving of their title, and I'll bet a good chunk of the forum doesn't either.
        Deities are:
        Imram S
        Mao
        Ming

        Ming has been a damn good moderator for a long time, and certainly deserves his title. Imram I have not seen spam for at least as long as I've posted here, and I lurked for longer.
        Mao I believe used to spam, but hardly ever posts anymore, and never flaunts his deity status. (I think) When AH gets to Deity, I may reverse my decision , but he too has posted long and hard, humorously, trollingly (also humorous) and even in serious debates to get to the post count he has today, and I think that anyone who has made the effort, even if a large proportion of the posts were:
        deserves the title, just to show how little life they have in the real world.
        Maybe a postcount/time registered would give a suitable figure, so the quicker you post, the more likely you are to be a spammer, and so the titles become a measure of spam, rather than posts.

        I think the democratisation of post-counts would be nice, but the present system (at least on-topic) works fine.


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        PS. This post is 3,655 characters long. Who is ever going to use 20,000 ?
        Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
        "I don't believe in giving scripting languages because the only additional power they give users is the power to create bugs." - Mike Breitkreutz, Firaxis

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        • #5
          I absolutely agree, Smiley...but I think the name "Post Count Democratization Movement" is a bit too long, how about shortening it to PoCoDemoMo?

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          • #6
            Concur!!

            Leave the date for a little bit of eltism. But get rid of the PC.

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            • #7
              Wrong about OT, OTF posts don't count. Well, and this all is left to admins, still.
              Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
              Contact: solver-at-weplayciv-dot-com
              I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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              • #8
                A universally loved internet legend speaks

                I have noticed that as my post count has increased, the love and respect for me from other posters has grown and grown also.
                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                • #9
                  What a load of tosh. What is the point? Nah, don't bother (says man with #6 post count )

                  And AH, where in the name of buggery did those posts come from to put you ahead of me again?
                  Speaking of Erith:

                  "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                  • #10
                    I have a very simple proposal: why not get rid of the whole shebang alltogether and kill postcounts?
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                    • #11
                      That's the idea.

                      And also, moderators should be unknown and operate as an anonymous "secret police" entity.
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                      There are reasons why I believe mankind should live in cities and let nature reclaim all the villages with the exception of a few we keep on display as horrific reminders of rural life.-Starchild
                      Meat eating and the dominance and force projected over animals that is acompanies it is a gateway or parallel to other prejudiced beliefs such as classism, misogyny, and even racism. -General Ludd

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                      • #12
                        Oh yes, Democratic like the Gestapo
                        Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
                        "I don't believe in giving scripting languages because the only additional power they give users is the power to create bugs." - Mike Breitkreutz, Firaxis

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                        • #13
                          I like the idea of titles based on Time registered , would help stop spammers DLs as they would not be able to improve their title jsut by spamming
                          GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                          • #14
                            Hear, hear, this guy has sensible stuff to say.
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                            • #15
                              I say we keep it the way it has always been- the way it has been is fun and original.

                              Also, when the Post Count addition feature was taken away from the OT, I dedided that I would not visit the OT as often.
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