Penthouse pet of the year?? (banner ad)

[Prometeus]

Aww nooo... Crazy-guy is back again...

[adaMada]

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</font>1) when I wrote about our pageviews, I was replying to the statement you made about people leaving. Well, the numbers say that people are not leaving, especially in an almost dead period for civ games
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - MarkG

That's probably because apolyton is a great site. Don't get me wrong -- apolyton is one of the best sites on the net. Actually, that is a large reason why you should care about the adds in question -- you go to such length to insure that your site is free of bad content, and then allow adds like this. (Not to say that I'd ignore adds on another site which didn't go to such lengths.)

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</font>Of course if someone is offended by an ad he can complain about it. But we can't jeopardise everyone's free service for the sensitivity of one person. Sorry, that's life. This doesnt mean that when many people have a problem with something(pop-up) they are ignored
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - MarkG

1) 'Jeoprdise'? We're not asking you to 'jeopardise' everyone's free servace -- working twards this will just make apolyton a better site. It's not like UGO is going to refuse to let you show their adds just because you complain.
2) 'Sensitivity'? Call me sensitative if you will -- but I don't complain because I'm overly 'sensitative'. I complain because it is my belief that, if no one else does, then the Adds will go on forever.
3) 'one person'? Be practical MarkG, there is more than one person here. Furthermore, this thread hasn't been wildly publisized. If you want to say 'it only matters to x people', then let me start multiple threads on the OT pointing to this one, asking people to, and let me keep bumping those threads.
4) What can you loose? I mean, no one's going to COME to this site because of these adds, and no one will LEAVE this site because of a lack of these adds. Some people, however (abet few) will be infulenced (come or go) by these adds.

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</font>Half of the population of the earth does not visit Apolyton therefore whether or not it is offended by this ad is not our concern. Our concern is to provide a good, free service to civers. Beyond that, I have yet to see one of the female apolytoners to complain about this ad.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - MarkG

As I said earlier, I don't believe that any female apolytoners know about this thread (excepting Cthol). To be frank, until you say 'These adds are out there -- do they offend you', then you can't render say 'they don't care'.

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</font>Come on, adamada, lighten up a bit, will you? I can think of several thousand things in life that are more important than an innocent banner ad. Just look thru the window just in front of you.

Tell me, have you seen the Discovery mosquito ad on TV? Good, ain't it?


PS. Please forgive me if I sound annoying (not my intention) but, would you mind explaining to me the meaning of that last sentence of yours? (I mean that smilie). BTW, how do you do to get the smilie into the quote?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Beto Benedetti

1) Sorry, but I feel deeply about this issue, and I generaly act when an issue that I feel deeply about comes up.
2) I've never seen the 'mosquito ad' in question. At least, not that I'm aware. Sorry.
3) (Responding to "would you mind explaining to me the meaning of that last sentence of yours") I don't know if you meant that 'bored' comment, or not. If you did, however, then I'd rethink my statements. I, persionally, don't really care if you think that I just do this out of boredom (even though that's not the case), as long as it doesn't impact my case. Some other people, however, may not take that comment so lightly. After all, this is a matter of ethics and morals for most of the people complaining.
5) (Responding to "how do you do to get the smilie into the quote?") I pasted each of the comments seperatly. After I had pasted your comment, then I just typed the smile where it had originally been. Sorry -- There isn't a trick to getting the smiles to show .
6) Benedetti -- Let me say one thing. I like your approch to life, and I like reading your posts. Really, I don't hold anything agianst you. I just (unlike you), feel that this is so important, that it needs to be responded to.


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</font>See, UGO's not all bad
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UGO has some good adds... If it came to debate, then I'd support these adds. As it happens, although, these adds are not at debate.

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</font>Indeed adaMada has proven what the world would be like if it was run by 13-year-olds. And it is one very disturbed vision I grant you that. This little brat whines more than a bunch of dikes (has to do with water little boy).
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Evan von Christoph

Some people complain because I complain about quite a few things. I complain because the topic at hand means quite a bit to me. I wish that people could respect me for this (even if they don't agree with me), but it seems that that just isn't the way it is with most people. If you can't respect me for it, then please just shut-up (or express your own opinion w/o slandering me for having one too), and don't try to imply that it has anything to do with age. I reasure you (even though my opinion will change with time), I would still be arguing these topics were I 100 -- simply because my beliefs demand that I do what I can to support what I believe to be right. Sorry.

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adamada@springmail.com
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[Evan von Christoph]

And that is all it is <u>beliefs</u>, I'm sorry to be the one to let you know that ACS is not the best place for intolerant people to spend their time. I agree most of the people here wouldn't like it if you started raving about creationist propaganda and stated that all of us were going to hell just because that is your belief.

About your specific belief, this is an international site, and neither of the two hosts are Americans. There are many people here that are not American and thereby do not share your "holy than thou" attitude about things. I for one am certainly not thrilled about a 13-year-old trying to impose more Americanization on the world.

My real problem is not your age, beliefs, nor your endless complaining; my problem is the method of complaining-- complaining about something without support, nor possible change of intended variables, is both annoying and futile.

Something you may wish to understand (before you learn it the difficult way) is that people that act like you will alwasy run into people that don't like the way you act, and without getting too descriptive I would like to point out that the end results of an interaction of the sort I mention above is by no means postive for you.

By the way, what religion (including sect) are you (because beliefs are usually backed by something prior)?

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[Narck]

Hey Adamada

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</font>UGO has some good adds... If it came to debate, then I'd support these adds. As it happens, although, these adds are not at debate.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>I am fully aware these ads are not what this thread is about. But you're missing the point, since I was trying to draw attention away from this one ad, which is not THAT offensive.

Let's be realistic here, this is really a trivial matter at best, so I find it truly amazing that you manage to write 2 page essays on it

[MarkG]

adamada, if a whole site-wide campaign must be made to get people to complain about an ad, if lots of people dont post on this forum about it, if lots of people dont mail us about it, then the ad is not that offensive after all

last time there was a real problem(pop-up), there was a 130-post thread in this forum without any "campaign", and we recieved 30-40 e-mails

this time it's 2-3 people posting on this thread and 0 e-mail. put yourself in my position...

[Evan von Christoph]

adaMada,

I was in the process of thinking of how trivial it is for argument with a 13-year-old, and then something struck me as odd.

In your statement:

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</font>Some people complain because I complain about quite a few things. I complain because the topic at hand means quite a bit to me. I wish that people could respect me for this (even if they don't agree with me), but it seems that that just isn't the way it is with most people. If you can't respect me for it, then please just shut-up (or express your own opinion w/o slandering me for having one too), <font color=red>and don't try to imply that it has anything to do with age. I reasure you (even though my opinion will change with time), I would still be arguing these topics were I 100 -- simply because <u>my beliefs demand that I do what I can</u> to support <u>what I believe</u> to be right. Sorry.</font>
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The logical conclusion on this trail that led me down states quite clearly that you are promoting the leftist feminist agenda, which mind you I find much more offensive than your purtian based obsession with a select few of ads on a mere gaming site. This feminist movement (in my opinion) has deteriorated the instiution of family and has brought on social gaps that remain severed without possibilty of being healed. So now this is very much a belief issue, as I find your remarks and attitudes pitiful and no less offensive than racism!

Notwithstanding, leaders of the feminist movement (especially after 1967) have now realised that their movement has put people's quality of life at risk and in the late 1990s began to redefine the feminist calling. So you are still under the influence of past mistakes, that inevitably make you the center of wrong as the greatest influencers of what you now speak about have turned away from what you percieve as reality.

I would take direct removal of these non-offensive ads as evidence of further leftist propagation into a realm which they have neither the skill nor the right to pursue into. You my friend are doing nothing less than bringing the "barons of hell" right up to these gates, and you will not escape the consequences of your actions. I think you have much explaining to do; before you find yourself lost in an entaglement of such epic magnitude that you will wish you were aborted as a child.

Best Wishes. Demon.

<h2>I fear NO evil!</h2>
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[D2K]

Pluck yeah!

[Richard Cranium]

Evan von Christoph, please get your intolerant self out of here.

[Mao]

...said the double login to the wacko

[adaMada]

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</font>And that is all it is beliefs, I'm sorry to be the one to let you know that ACS is not the best place for intolerant people to spend their time.
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Intolerant? See Bottom

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</font>About your specific belief, this is an international site, and neither of the two hosts are Americans. There are many people here that are not American and thereby do not share your "holy than thou" attitude about things. I for one am certainly not thrilled about a 13-year-old trying to impose more Americanization on the world.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Evan von Christoph

'Americanization'? I don't believe that the world should be more like america. I believe that we all should be tolerent of each others beliefs. (see bottom). What part of this is 'Americanization'?


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</font>My real problem is not your age, beliefs, nor your endless complaining; my problem is the method of complaining-- complaining about something without support, nor possible change of intended variables, is both annoying and futile.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Evan von Christoph

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you mean.


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</font>By the way, what religion (including sect) are you (because beliefs are usually backed by something prior)?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Evan von Christoph

It looks like you owe me an apology, EvC. I technecally have a religion, but I'm not really religious. I don't even go to church/temple/etc. each week. My motives arn't on the religious scale... It's just about what I believe to be right. Sorry, attacking me on that ground won't work...

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</font>I for one am certainly not thrilled about a 13-year-old trying to impose more Americanization on the world.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Evan von Christoph

Let me say one thing about the '13'. I'm not going to respond to any more of EvC's petty jabs on this subject. I once attempted to respond to a simular post (while debating Albert Speer), and, in the heat of the moment, said many things that came across differently then I meant them. I was never able to apolygise, because Ming closed the thread a few posts later. I'm not going to even try to respond to that any more. If anyone else (with a cooler head) would like to, please, feel free. I just want you to know that I'm ignoring you for a reason...

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</font>I am fully aware these ads are not what this thread is about. But you're missing the point, since I was trying to draw attention away from this one ad, which is not THAT offensive.

Let's be realistic here, this is really a trivial matter at best, so I find it truly amazing that you manage to write 2 page essays on it
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Narck

I'm sorry, but I really believe that that add really is that offenisve. Not because it'll cause anyone harm, but because it represents a step backwards... to the days where only white men could vote, and equality was conditional. As for the length of my posts... I apolygise if it annoys anyone, but I like to think that I do my best to reply to every post that deserves one. I put all of my replies in one post out of respect for MarkG and DanQ, who wouldn't have it any other way.

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</font>adamada, if a whole site-wide campaign must be made to get people to complain about an ad, if lots of people dont post on this forum about it, if lots of people dont mail us about it, then the ad is not that offensive after all
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - MarkG

I understand what you say, but I believe that you can't rightly start to 'call in the numbers' until people have become more aware of this thread. It is not uncommon that something should be offensive to me, and I don't take the time to start ANOTHER complaing thread. If the thread is already existing, however, then I will take the time to respond. So you're right... as long as you don't try to use the lack of intrest in your arguements.

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</font>I was in the process of thinking of how trivial it is for argument with a 13-year-old,
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Evan von Christoph

I'm choosing not to honor these words with a real responce.


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</font>The logical conclusion on this trail that led me down states quite clearly that you are promoting the leftist feminist agenda, which mind you I find much more offensive than your purtian based obsession with a select few of ads on a mere gaming site.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Evan von Christoph

The parts you underline in red was my attempt to forstall the attack on my age that I knew you would insist upon bringing up!! I was protecting myself... from an arguement.

As for your so called proof that i'm a part of the 'feminist movement', well, I'm not. I don't believe that females are superior to men... nor do I believe that males are superiour to females. I believe in equility.

As for the rest of your post, I'm also going to ignore it, because it is all based upon the assumption that I'm part of the feminist movement. It is also offensive (to anyone who believes in this movement), snotty, and irrelevent to the arguement at hand.

Also (just for the record), I'm a male. Just clearing up any confusion that my handle is bound to cause...


Now, let me say my bit about my beliefs. My primary belief is that all people are equal... and that we must be tolerent of other people's beliefs. I don't mind you stating your own opinion... Just don't mock mine. EvC... those banners are intolerent to females. You constintly accuse me of being 'intolerent of other people's opinions', when really, I'm being more tolerent then you are. Furthermore, you aren't even being nice. If you want to play 'rough', then that's fine with me, but everyone else on this thread has at least been 'slightly' polite (until you came along)... or at least has tried to be (I like to believe that I at least try, and apolygise when I fail to be so.). You, however, don't make the slightist effort.

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adaMada
adamada@springmail.com

[TCO]

Chill out with picking on AdaMan. Even if you disagree with him, he's a lot less shrill than (some of) the people atttacking him.

The ads are not a huge deal to me, but I think the site would be better without them. So ****in pick on me for a while! I can take it, and will just mess with Sarge..err...EVC later, to get even.

(BTW, I used the Lancer method of just typing *s.)

[Narck]

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</font>As for the length of my posts... I apolygise if it annoys anyone, but I like to think that I do my best to reply to every post that deserves one. I put all of my replies in one post out of respect for MarkG and DanQ, who wouldn't have it any other way.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Hey don't get me wrong, your posts' length doesn't annoy me in the least. I'm wondering just how much can be said about one single banner.

Btw, I do agree with you that we're better off without that banner, although I don't care about it like you do. Here's my suggestion: contact apolytoners on your icq list, ask them if they find the ad offensive, and, if they do, ask them to send email to ugo. Or something similar.
I don't think the solution is to be found here on Apolyton.

[Evan von Christoph]

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</font>It looks like you owe me an apology, EvC. I technecally have a religion, but I'm not really religious. I don't even go to church/temple/etc. each week. My motives arn't on the religious scale... It's just about what I believe to be right. Sorry, attacking me on that ground won't work...
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Religious implementation for the basis of your belief system, indeed. Well now that subject is elucidated my involvement here is done; now if you don't mind I'm going to go bask in apathy.

[Richard Cranium]

Mao, don't accuse me of being a wacko!

[adaMada]

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</font>Chill out with picking on AdaMan. Even if you disagree with him, he's a lot less shrill than (some of) the people atttacking him.

The ads are not a huge deal to me, but I think the site would be better without them. So ****in pick on me for a while! I can take it, and will just mess with Sarge..err...EVC later, to get even.

(BTW, I used the Lancer method of just typing *s.)
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - GP

Thanks for your support, GP . It's nice to know that there are a few people out there who noticed EvC's attatude.

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</font>Hey don't get me wrong, your posts' length doesn't annoy me in the least. I'm wondering just how much can be said about one single banner.

Btw, I do agree with you that we're better off without that banner, although I don't care about it like you do. Here's my suggestion: contact apolytoners on your icq list, ask them if they find the ad offensive, and, if they do, ask them to send email to ugo. Or something similar.
I don't think the solution is to be found here on Apolyton.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Narck

A) I wasn't really trying to attack you when I spoke about my post's length, but just trying to pre-defend myself from EvC and company. If it came across that way, then sorry. B) I agreee that this thread 'could' be very short. Unfortinatly, some people seemed to still not understand what I was saying, even after a very long post, and giving up isn't in my nature. C) I also agree that, while a lot could be accomplished on apolyton, it really isn't lickly to happen. I'll be writing an e-mail to UGO in a few weeks to a month (I'd do it sooner, but soon I'll be going away for that long ) I like your idea, so at that time, I'll contact apolytoners (prehaps I could post a request here or on the OT -- MarkG, DanQ, any thoughts?) and asking who ever else feels the way I do to do the same. Hopefully, we'll be able to get UGO to take down their adds. If not, then at least we'll be able to say we tried, and we'll have a base for a stronger complaint in the future.

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</font>Religious implementation for the basis of your belief system, indeed. Well now that subject is elucidated my involvement here is done; now if you don't mind I'm going to go bask in apathy.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Evan von Christoph

How typical of the behaviour you've been showing since you came here, EvC --- first you make a baseless statement, and then ignore people who try to tell you that you're wrong.


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