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**Kahn** · January 28, 2004, 23:23

A little reason here....

Out of curiosity has anyone here ever bought any product advertised by a pop-up?

**MarkG** · January 29, 2004, 02:45

Out of curiosity has anyone here ever bought any product advertised by a pop-up?

the greatness of capitalism is that we are allowed to not care about such things

**Rasputin** · January 29, 2004, 03:12

paid to advertise, not paid to care !!!!!

**Whaleboy** · January 31, 2004, 00:08

I'm curious, by using software like Mozilla or Mozilla Firebird, am I abusing the fine service of Apolyton because I set it to block popups?

**MarkG** · January 31, 2004, 04:26

Yeap

cause unlike other visitors, you are using the site without creating any income towards paying the bills which creates a cost that has to be paied by the other visitors...

**Rasputin** · January 31, 2004, 11:26

well the only cost to other visitors not suing popup blockers is extra popups, which since they obviously dont mind popups, is no cost at all

unless they stuck at work like me and cant install the popup stoppers like google bar etc....

**Aramis** · February 1, 2004, 02:35

Originally posted by Rasputin
well the only cost to other visitors not suing popup blockers is extra popups, which since they obviously dont mind popups, is no cost at all

I mind popups. In fact I despise them. Yet I'm not an Internet addict nor some techno-comp-geek, so I don't know how to get rid of them. Doesn't mean I (and others) "obviously don't mind them."

**Skanky Burns** · February 1, 2004, 05:04

It is this easy to turn popups off.

1: Download and install opera or firebird.
2: Use this new program to browse the web.

**Rasbelin** · February 3, 2004, 05:57

One has to remember to change the pop-up settings in Opera, as it will not by default block pop-ups.

Markos,

unless they create profit to ACS by other means.

**Skanky Burns** · February 3, 2004, 07:00

True. I believe it is on by default in firebird though.

**Whaleboy** · February 4, 2004, 15:16

MarkG: I'm having some difficulty with that, I have read all the documentation on this site that seemed relevant that I could find and nowhere could I find as a condition of using this site that I must use software to access that does not have pop-up blockers, or not have pop-up blockers enabled etc. Perhaps you could point me to a URL I missed?

Furthermore all of this is at "my end", so to speak, so my computer. My browser, to my knowledge (Mozilla 1.6 and occasionally Firebird 0.7 on Win2000 Pro) does not send any different data back to apolyton based on pop-up blockers or not, and if it does, I cannot see it adversely affecting the service.

You send the data packets to me, and the way I see things, it is up to me (and my comp) how I use them for myself providing they do not impact the service or other users, which I do not believe they do.

A good analogy would be commercial TV. I watch the programmes, but switch as soon as the adverts come on. That is not abusing the service, because the TV companies must factor in the possibility the people are not going to watch the adverts continuously, perhaps switch, or get up and eat biscuits. IMO it is unreasonable to expects ones advertisements to be exposed to 100% of the people that use the medium those ad's use.

Also consider that dividing the income from pop-ups by the users and saying that "Whaleboy, you're not pulling your weight" is a bit

since I never buy anything from them anyway, so the value is discrete for each person... 0 or 1..2..3. For me, it is 0. OTOH, I use the links when buying games etc.

If the cost is too much, presumably for the most part with the forum software, there are, I believe some open source alternatives.

But yeah, if I'm wrong and there is a condition of use here that I must view the pop-ups, then please show me and I will cease use.

**Skanky Burns** · February 4, 2004, 15:19

They get money for popups that sucessfully display on your end of the system. They don't get money for popups that are killed before they even get the chance to invade your monitor-space.

**Whaleboy** · February 4, 2004, 17:39

That is still consequential however, as such cannot really be used against us, and it is not specified to us that we have to let the pop-ups view. I don't believe that we are penalised for using pop-up blockers.

However, I was not aware that our browsers transmit the fact that pop-ups are viewed or not. Can this be confirmed, and if so, can I disable it?

**MarkG** · February 5, 2004, 02:22

I could find and nowhere could I find as a condition of using this site that I must use software to access that does not have pop-up blockers, or not have pop-up blockers enabled etc. Perhaps you could point me to a URL I missed?

if you need something like that to be in the official user policy, we'll be adding that specifically.

until then, i hope you comply with our wishes without having a contract in your hands....

**MarkG** · February 5, 2004, 02:27

I don't believe that we are penalised for using pop-up blockers.

you want me to start doing that?

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