Was I banned? and if so why?

[Aramis]

Originally posted by Ming
Let's make the owners do a lot more extra work because somebody couldn't take the time to keep up with the rules... yeah, right...

"civility" is following the rules of a site that you are a member of... not demanding that the owners do even more work just because somebody broke a rule

Okay, point taken. I agree with you--they shouldn't have to do extra work. Would it be possible to create some kind of an all-purpose PM from owners/admin (something they could just click on) that informs users that they've been banned? Being somewhat of a technophobe, I don't know about these things.
And I don't want to make more work for anybody--just something to think about on a rainy day or a sleepless night?-- r

[Ming]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
That remains your main arguement and it is still wrong.

Last time I checked, you were the one that was in the wrong.

Sending a PM to 12 people is probably easier than banning 12 people, and deleting 12 folders.

No... the files STILL had to be deleted... people broke the rules and had to be restricted, and a PM is not easier... it's MORE work.

Furthermore, if instead of a personal PM, a single news post /announcement would have ben posted, then 1 action would have saved 12 bannings and 12 deletions.

Uhhh... the rules WERE posted... again, you want extra work.

See? I save the owners their time, and their civility.

No... you've added work, and you are whining about it.

"civility" is letting people aware of the rules and making it clear when you are in breach, even if it may (or may not, as I argue) be "extra-work".

No... the rules are clear, and posted... If you don't understand them or don't bother to read them, it's your problem... a little extra work on your part would have saved your fate. But no, you want the owners who already slave their butts off for you to do even more.
Why don't you do your share for a change...

If dan and mark suddenly decide that posting their names is a sin and an illegal action, they can ban anyone they want to. But if they start banning people without even updating the FAQ, (not to mention making a news post) I would still consider it uncivil.

But the rules are there... in black and white... so your example isn't even relevent...

You continue to be uncivil by asking them to do more work so you can be lazy and not do anything yourself...

So stop your whining... you were guilty of breaking a posted rule... it's that simple.

[mrmitchell]

Ming, couldn't a little code (Markos would know...I don't know jack **** about php or vB) add an option in whutever ban page you have that says "Send PM" with a little box where you can type the reason?

It would create a form like:

You have been banned because of _______ from (date) to (date).

[Frozzy]

MtG prefers the more personal touch

[Ming]

Personally... so do I. I alway like to let the person know EXACTLY why they are banned. But it takes time... and when you are banning 12 people... it takes A LOT of time. And that's the point. It takes so little time to read the rules and be familiar with them...

And mrmitchell... to set up a hack also takes time... and who knows how it might mess things up... like some of the hacks have. It takes time to test them to make sure they are actually working right and not effecting anything else.

So who are the ones being rude and uncivil... the owners who work hard to give us this great free site, or the whiners who didn't take the little effort to know the rules... You be the judge

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Ming
But it takes time... and when you are banning 12 people... it takes A LOT of time

How much time does it take to write the same message out like 5 times without repeating yourself verbatim?

In retrospect you would have saved yourself a lot of time by PM'ing him. But then we would have all missed the whinefest.

[Rasbelin]

I just don't get why Siro himself didn't take any initiative to contact e.g. Ming by e-mail or with a PM to ask why he was banned, if so. Gee, would have saved time and that would frankly have been a more pro active manner to investigate why you are banned (if so), rather than wait and then start a new thread.

[Ming]

Originally posted by DrSpike
In retrospect you would have saved yourself a lot of time by PM'ing him. But then we would have all missed the whinefest.

I'm not the one responsible for that... The owners do the bannings for the uploads I consider the time spent defending the owners honor from whiners well worth it

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

*goes on strike*

Er, point of order - you can't go on strike unless they are paying you to post.

Thanks.

[rah]

Can you imagine being his father and having to explain "WHAT WHERE WHEN WHY" every time you had to kick his A**?

[Aramis]

Originally posted by Ming
I consider the time spent defending the owners honor from whiners well worth it

It is not going too far to ask the owners (without whom the site would not exist) to do the civil thing and inform the users (without whom the site's existence would be pointless) why they were banned. It's not a question of creating more work--it has to do with inherent obligations.
It is not going too far to ask the users to keep current on rule changes--another inherent obligation. Sirotnikov had a legitimate gripe and expressed it. Ming came to the owners' defense but declared S "lazy." Sirotnikov should be satisfied with the initial explanation and drop the subject. Ming should understand that he is not conducting a 'defense of honor' by using "lazy."
Both sides made their points long back in this thread.
-- to both sides, rob

[Ming]

But the whiners are in the wrong. The rules are posted... and "somebody" is making the owners out as non civil people because they didn't get a PM when they were banned. That is just crap. They want the owners to do even MORE work just because they didn't follow the rules... The whiners are responsible for their own actions... if they had taken the small amount of time to check the rules... but they didn't. And now the owners honor is being attacked because somebody else was lazy

[Aramis]

Sirotnikov uploaded certain files prior to it being against the rules, right? He was banned later for having done it, after he'd forgotten. A slap on the wrist was justified. A PM letting him know would have been polite, and the owners not having done that is not an indictment that they are "uncivil people."
What honor is there to defend? Only the decision need be defended, and that's been done.

[Ming]

Siro is calling his treatment UNCIVIL... so it IS an indictment that they are uncivil. So I am defending their honor from a whiner who was too lazy to check the rules.

[Snowflake]

If one broke the rules, one shouldn't complain about being punished accordingly. And one should remind himself that he should be more careful in the future. Now a suggestion about a reminder before the punishment is understandable, and has its own merit. However, it has to be a suggestion, not a demand or request. The rules didn't say that a warning or explanation has to be issued accompany with the punishment. It will be some nice extra work if the owners do it. We would all appreciate it. But if they didn't do it, because they're busy, or any other reason, we should accept it. When we come to Poly we have accepted whatever rules the owners have. If we don't accept the rules, then we shouldn't even be here.