Turns of SMACDatAss

[Fromage]

Ahh, I found the old save game files from the trashcan. I opened the 2200 turn and there really was a black foil two tiles away from my city. Problem is that I just now noticed that it wasn't a Spartan foil, but it was a Beliver's probe foil

It was my mistake and I am really sorry about it.

[Claw919]

Ugh. I'm the CMN, I suppose.

Okay, hang on a second. Let's deal with the issues one at a time. First, let's deal with the Fromage-KK comm issue (as we have been).

Here are my thoughts. Debate away.

KK/Fromage - were you two ever *ADJACENT*? If not, there's an issue, since the rule is you need to be adjacent to make contact. (Or had the commlink transferred from CMH, or another player). If you weren't adjacent, then there needs to be.... something done to rectify the energy credit situation. The way I see it, your estimates put the Pact life at (at maximum) 6 turns at present. You should reopen your turns and see how many energy credits you're *CURRENTLY* earning from the Pact and do the multiplication. That amount should probably be split between the other factions in terms of an energy exchange, and your Pact should be broken.

On the other hand, if you were adjacent or had the commlink passed to you, everything is fine and it's just (another) glitch in the game.

Obviously, there can't have been a ton of game-wide damage done from the Pact (this vote aside). I'm fairly confident everyone in the game knows exactly what is currently happening at/to the Hive. (At the very least, they would expect it, given who has brought forth these charges).

Again, let's deal with the Pact issue first, and then proceed with the voting issue, since they're obviously tied. Please hold the turn until suchtime as everyone is agreed that we're ready to proceed.

[Mongoose]

Seeing a ship does not constitute contact. You must be adjacent. If contact is made, the diplomatic status changes to truce...except sometimes with probeships.

[Fromage]

If I remember correctly, I saw Spartan ship at sea sometimes in 2200-2202, I contacted him at the same turn and we made treaty. I can check if I still have that old save-files when I get home.

Elections, I think the person who calls the election should email details for everyone. At least this is the rule in other game I am playing now. Anyway, I don't think Mongoose lost any votes because of this yet. I think he has a pact with Claw and I usually won't vote people who I am fighting with.

[KrysiasKrusader]

I (we), need to contact some of the others and figure this out. The turn's with SinMan, I take it. So then...

Let us Hold the Turn till we can solve this.

[KrysiasKrusader]

Hokay... I'll go back and check.

[Mongoose]

I don't give two shakes of a rat's ass for why, KK. The question is how. Neither you nor Hive have the EG. Unless you met in-game, you should not be able to form a pact. If you did meet in-game, the pact status should show on Hive's infiltrated faction profile. It does not.

That is the how I seek. No silly winking eye addresses this very key issue. If you have not met in-game, not only is the pact between Hive and Sparta illegal, the subsequent passage of the Hive commlink to DD is illegal and the election could not be legally called.

This from a letter I wrote to CDS after my 2201 turn, which was the first I noticed the situation:

This is decidedly odd. I can offer the Hive commlink to KK in the diplomacy box. My infiltration on Hive shows no status between Hive and Sparta. Yet, several of Hive's base screens show commerce income from a Spartan Pact. -snip-
I conclude that the Pact between Sparta and Hive was just signed and that the infiltration data doesn't get updated until the turn year rolls over.
No idea how I can still offer the commlink, though.

[smhfan86]

I have the EG, and when I checked, it said you two had not made contact yet, i.e. when I checked both your profiles, it did not register that you two had a pact, yet you two were definitely getting energy from it.

So it's a question of who contacted who, and how? Not why.

[KrysiasKrusader]

Originally posted by Mongoose
Are stealth elections now in vogue?

Pfft!!


Furthermore, riddle me this, Batman!

How is it that Hive's base screens show commerce income from a Spartan Pact, yet the Hive faction profile accessed through the commlink does not show the Pact?

The only time I have seen this anamoly, that I recall, is when two players are pacted from the outset of a game, as in a team game...or when use of the commlinks is made prior to in-game contact.

An explanation is due here. First for the pact, moreso for the contact, more again as to how DD had the Hive comm to call this stealth election.

I've gone back through my note's; and I can't find by what rules/parameters we are playing by exactly. As far as I know (if I recall correctly), claw919 is the "CMN" and he laid down the rule(s) in an e-mail, mailed to all the original players, back in April 2002.

So for 'stealth elections', I suppose that DD wasen't advised of the rules/parameters that we had to post the results, turn by turn, If indeed that is what we have to do.

I still don't know who 'Batman' is supposed to be.

In my screen of the Hive faction profile; it shows that we are pacted. For how long have you noticed this ? My oldest turn on record is 2202, I have checked them all.

As for the eplanation(s)... I don't see why I have to explain my reasons for pacting with the Hive anymore than I would expect you to explain your reasons for pacting with the Morganites or UoP. Especially in a public forum! C'mon Mongoose...
For the contact, the same would apply here also, no?
Since I'm at it, and I don't mean to speak for DilithiumDad, but how come he would also feel obliged to divulge this in a public forum, is also beyond my comprehension.

Or am I missing something and/or other information here...

[KrysiasKrusader]

Hmm... I'll have to go back and verify this with an old file...

Who's Batman ?

[smhfan86]

True, but you must list the number of votes for each player, so everyone has a fair chance to decide before they play the turn.

I would also like to know how KK and Fromage could have a pact, but not have it listed in the commlink profiles.

[DilithiumDad]

Election must be announced on thread, which it was. I voted for myself and Fromage stated both he and Claw voted for me (stated that I had all votes so far). University has not stated who they voted for.

[smhfan86]

An election?

When did this happen?

To my knowledge, the caller of the election must post all vote totals for all players. And each subsequent player must post who they voted for.

[DilithiumDad]

That attitude goes a long way toward explaining why you are losing this election big time!!

[Mongoose]

Furthermore, riddle me this, Batman!

How is it that Hive's base screens show commerce income from a Spartan Pact, yet the Hive faction profile accessed through the commlink does not show the Pact?

The only time I have seen this anamoly, that I recall, is when two players are pacted from the outset of a game, as in a team game...or when use of the commlinks is made prior to in-game contact.

An explanation is due here. First for the pact, moreso for the contact, more again as to how DD had the Hive comm to call this stealth election.