Turns of SMACDatAss

[Claw919]

Guys, seriously, let's just let it all go. We're only going to end up with "NO, *I* didn't say that, YOU said THIS!" "...no, that was you - you're being silly", etc ad infinitum. It'll only cause people to be pissed at each other.

Besides, even if we do start up again, 1/2 of the players don't really want to, and it'll only seem like "well, it shouldn't be happening this way, if only.." the entire game.

Everyone should go and join the new tournament Tau Ceti is putting together. That's a nicely moderated, structured, monitored tournament.

[Fromage]

I thought we agreed on playing from 2205 onwards, but perhaps I was wrong.

- I would have been happy
- Mongoose would have been happy (he had already taken the towns)

Someone then was unhappy with that solution, but I just missed who it was and why.

[Mongoose]

Not the way I wanted it. I have written reams on what I wanted. Claw wants out, smhfan wants out, DD thinks it's all my fault and KK won't accept the solution I proposed. The alternative offered was to replay from before my sneak attack was launched. That's unacceptable to me.

Anyone who can split the difference on these issues has my blessing. If you all wish, I'll withdraw in favor of somebody else who can accept replaying from that too early point.

[Fromage]

I really don't know where the problem was. I agreed to play what ever penalties you had given me. Of course light sanctions would have been ok, but INCREDIBLY stiff sanctions against me would have been ok for me too.

Well, it's RIP then if that is what you want. I just wanted to say that it wasn't the only solution.

Thanks for the game anyway.

[Mongoose]

Sorry, DD. I broke no rules. I made no error. Yet, under the proposed 'solution', I pay the most severe penalty, while the perpetrators of errors pay none. That is Baloney!

RIP SDA.

[Claw919]

Aw, geez.

Let's not end with hard feelings. Regardless, there wasn't any realistic possibility that a good solution could be found. SMH and Mong's attack was doomed to suffer regardless of the decision (save for INCREDIBLY stiff sanctions against Fromage, which wouldn't go over big on his/KK's side of the map). No matter what, then, you'd have people who had feelings of "*Sigh*... this is pointless, now..." 40 turns from now when things didn't go their way - it probably wasn't prudent to try and salvage it anyway.

Thanks, guys - even though it didn't end well, I was enjoying the game while it was in motion. Thanks (and apologies) to the replacement players as well, who stepped in and tried to save a wounded animal that had already had all 4 limbs cut off and 1 eye put out.

Dave

[DilithiumDad]

Play WHAT turn? That's not clear. Game called on account of one word:

Baloney! --Mongoose

[smhfan86]

i think it best we just call this game off. oh, and someone should tell who's trying to arbitrate this, to stop as well.

[Fromage]

I thought we had a solution ready allready. DD just didn't play his turn.

[smhfan86]

Yeah, I vote for scrapping it too. We'll never be able to come up with a solution that will be satisfactory to all players.

[Claw919]

Can we just consider the game dead? I assume we all have already, but I just want to confirm it so I can take this "off the books", so to speak. It's been idle for about a month now.

[MariOne]

Damn, moral obligations, they keep shredding my soul, it's something I haven't learned to cope with yet, despite being just 3 months away from 40....

I'll do the best I can, maybe this weekend (?).

Obvioulsy, replaying would be the simplest way to remove the cause.
But it's clear that if a player was launching an undercover attack, that would not work the 2nd time around (just like love...). This would be very unfair, denying a strategical opportunity to an innocent one.

Otoh **** happens, and like you have to live with a referee mistake, just as if a passing bird had deflected your winning touchdown pass, so you could live with the fact that a "game accident" denied you the surprise factor. After all, when replaying, you could surprise the escaped victim by attempting something different, knowing that he'll be now all focused to counter your initial plan... Or maybe this time you could just efficiently develop while he wastes his resources in a no more requested defensive effort...

Anyway, I'll try to devise the best way to make for reparations and reinstatement of legality without replaying and thus denying the military surprise factor, which also without having actually looked in the turns yet, I understand could be a major issue.

You know from the start that I'm not mindset to issue any "sanction" but just to find the fairest workaround.

[Claw919]

Geez.

Okay, look. We need a consensus here, and it looks like the only one we're going to get is to have MariOne do the judgement. However long it takes, we'll simply have to wait.

(In other words - if someone decides that a ruling is "Baloney" and simply won't continue, then there's no point in having a ruling).

However, since Mongoose did bring up MariOne as a juge (and, particularly since MariOne has already alluded to the fact that he'll tend to be more lenient on Fromage/KK than Mongoose's suggestion), we'll just simply have to wait.

MariOne - thanks for doing this for us - as soon as you get a chance, it would be very much appreciated if you could have a look at this.

[DilithiumDad]

Mongoose, who do you think it is unfair to replay the affected turns?

If we had just done that at first, we'd be back to 2206 by now!

[Mongoose]

Baloney!!