Democracy in Peril (3) - Turn Thread

[Flubber]

2144 to tau

Thanks for neural grafting-- I see you are researching MMI-- great stuff

I decided to build the WP and it will be complete next turn-- I saw that one of the AI was announced to be switching to the Datalinks so I will be trying to probe the Hive for cyberethics to beat them to that. I have one probe in range and another 2-3 turns away.

the landscape was such that I was unable to probe AKI but I hope to infiltrate her next turn. I hope you find the expanding map data useful.

Tau, if it detracts from your plans, I could send a probe toward the spartans-- it would just take a while to get there.

[Tau Ceti]

2144 to Qantaga. MMI in 2.

Sending out a probe is not particularly problematic, it just takes a little time. Of course, infiltration is useful to all of us and cannot be completely given away, so there is little to lose by having both do it. In any case, if you are to be the military branch of our alliance, you need infiltration the most.

[Flubber]

2145 to tau

I infiltrated both Aki and Zak on the turn and they have a lot of tech we don't -- ie finishing superconducter-- but they are nowhere near MMI as they are not even up to Synth fossil fuels--

I will post full infiltration data tomorrow but they have nothing to hurt us militarily but they do all have LOADS of cash--

My plan is to rush 3 more probeships to try to tech strip those guys-- The spartans will have to wait unless one of you two can send a probe their way.

[Flubber]

The promised infiltration data :

Uni military (bracketed number are in construction)

2 (1)CPs
3 (1) formers
13 scouts
27 (3) scout rovers ODD BUILDS but hey its the AI


The Uni currently has 11 bases of which 2 are size 5s, 1 is size 4, 4-size3s,3-2s and 1size 1. They have 0 unused AAs and 413 energy in reserve.

WRT tech they are currently researching superstring (and will discover it this turn) and have 21 other existing techs

-- all level ones (8)
-- all level twos BUT field modulation (9)
-- ind auto, intell. int , adaptive doc at level 3 (3)
-- cyberethics at level 4 (1)



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Conscious military(bracketed number are in construction)

1 (1)CPs
5 formers
3 scouts
1 transport foil
1 (3) probe teams
1 unity rover
1 unity foil
1 recon rover 2-1-2
1(1) sea CP



The Consciousness currently has 7 bases (22 pop) of which 1 is size 5, 1-size4, 3-3s,2-2s and 0 size 1s. they have 0 unused AAs and 531 energy in reserve.

WRT tech they are currently adaptive doc (which the uni has) and have 14 other existing techs

-- all level ones (8)
-- eth calc., Doc: Loy, Doc: flex, Plan net, Poly. soft, at level 2 (5)
-- intell int at level 3 (1)

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Note that the Hive is now researching superstring-- I will be interested to see if the Uni gives it to him soon


Also I am a littel concerned about the AI cash levels

Hive 389 (couple of turns out of date)
Uni 413
Consciousness 531

What the heck?? they don't look impressive militarily now but their upgrade potential is enormous. Also how expensive would an economic victory be? I have not done one in a LONG long time but could the AI be smart enough to all save up and then gift the money to the Hive to do that.


On infiltration, could we think about pop booming our butts off to try to wrest away the governorship. I think the PKs are our natural candidate-- perhaps we should check how far we are away from this possibility

As always, keep those ideas flowing. As for tech, I would like MMI immediately. For future choices, you have the list of what the AI has, unless there is something you really need, choose other tech as I am going into probe mode-- I'll have 5 probeships active shortly and will then spin out a couple more and their goal is to get each and every AI tech, starting with what the uni has. Then you can cherrypick the ones you want and keep your tech cost down

[Tau Ceti]

2145 to Qantaga. Sorry, I was busy all day yesterday.

[Qantaga]

2145 sent to Flubber.

Flubber, thanks for all your great infiltration data. It is a huge help.

I like your idea of trying to wrest the governorship away, but it may take a little while for me to get a good boom going. Like Tau, my production rate is not too great. I have just begun my first few Creches and it looks like, with our arid lands, that I will need my Tree Farms in place to have the Nuts to support a boom. I still don't have my first "pop" yet, so I would like to wait for one before starting my Tree Farms.

I will get it going as soon as possible.

[Flubber]

2147 to tau

Yup governorship is quite a ways away since our current votes are 81 to their 128-- The Hive alone has 55 votes

Cash-- the consciousness now have hoarded up over 600 ec-- I see you 2 with 200-300 cash each while I have 7ec --Is there some reason I should be keeping ecs on hand ?? Every turn I have more stuff available to rush build than I have ecs on hand.


The Hive is only 9 turns from completing the Planetary datalinks-- unless my probethefts are lucky and soon, we might have to contemplate that we won't get that one-- I could always go military and take it

Tau, you will note that the Spartans are pretty close to you-- we can see the outline of their base on the map--They may come calling soon

[Tau Ceti]

2146 to Qantaga.

Credits: I have a slight aversion to rushing units early - probably should do that more often - and few if any of my current facility builds have reached the 10-mineral threshold. So I save up for when they do.

You did not send me the map this turn, so I saw no base. But let's hope they have no immediate attack plans, or I will be in trouble.

[Flubber]

Ooops on the year screw-up

I guess it is a factional attribute and the way I have stressed minerals-- I can rush build something every turn and usually want to rush more stuff than I have ec--

Sorry about the map-- I usually give it at the beginning--must have forgot-- but there is a base outline that touches the base outline of your base where my chopper is now-- so they are CLOSE--

[Qantaga]

2146 to Flubber.

Thanks for MMI, Tau!

I also tend to hoard my cash early. I need to learn to loosen the purse strings a little, I guess.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Flubber
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Also how expensive would an economic victory be? I have not done one in a LONG long time but could the AI be smart enough to all save up and then gift the money to the Hive to do that.

I'm sure I mentioned it when I was asking if players were interested in these scenarios, but in my playtest (my 2 allies weren't all that co-operative on tech sharing) the Hive did win by an economic victory - was quite a game

G.

[Flubber]

2147 to tau

You folks should see the Spartans base now-- I did another four tile scout to sea what was about-- I have 2 probes in range to try for tech and two more that will be complete next turn (and one more in progress but had no cash to rush).

And if you fols have nothing to rush, how about sending me some cash -- I would rush a couple more probeships and accelerate the probe rape of the AI.-- tau I might be able to steal steal poly soft so you can switch- qantaga, I don't believe any of the AI has bioengineering.

[Tau Ceti]

2147 to Qantaga.

Yep, there it is, a little too close for comfort. I switched to a probe foil in the closest city.

I will have something to rush in a few turns - about 7-8 recycling tanks plus rec. commons in the 3 new cities that will be built soon. But if there is anything specific you need, just ask - preferably in the in-game communication, as I hardly ever read the thread before I play.

[Qantaga]

2147 sent to Flubber.

The next couple of days may be a little slow for me. Another week of flights and travel. Fortunately, the holidays are coming soon and I should be closer to home for most of December.

[Flubber]

2148 to tau

No problem qantaga -- I actually start a business trip myself tomorrow (on the plane for about 7 hours ) and I just do not know when I will be able to play. I will be back on Sunday.

I stole intellectual integrity from the uni and will take a shot at the hive next turn (hoping to snag cyberethics and crash build the datalinks so we can share tech) I think I will leave my fleet of probeships at 5 and start concentrating on crawlers and Sps.

Is there any thought yet on strategy and goals-- I realize that we are all still building . . . I am just positioning myself for a modest size empire before i go a'conquering-- My Drone strat would be to switch to Planned around the time I build the CBA and the CF then build a bunch of units while booming. i would send a chopper each (2?) to your respective territories to assist in perimeter security and to allow you to stay in FM as long as possible.

Then I am thinking of going clobbering-- I can see the Hive territory and it is close-- drop one seabase off his coast and the aerial assault begins. I figure 4 elite choppers and 4 rovers would be sufficient initial force (particularly with chopper reinforcements on the way constantly. I figure to complete the CBA and the CF by 2158 (switching to planned to hurry their construction) The attack on the Hive could be in the mid 2160s.

there . . . thats what I am thinking-- lots could change it but that would be my "plan"-- I always like to have a goal-- Any other options present themselves?? More specifically, is there anything I can do that would help my allies out??

One question . . . is there any way to get bases in the hands of another human easily ?? The only thing I can think of is to gift a rover to one of you of you to let you capture the base to begin with-- I can see some advantages to having you guys take some of the captured bases (particularly if we could take the empath guild