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**RedFred** · April 15, 2002, 11:12

Do yourself a favour. Forget about buying Civ3.

SMAC is still out there if you look hard enough. SMACX is the tough one to find.

**Darsnan** · April 15, 2002, 11:36

Heah Talent,
I just saw SMAC at MediaPlay the other day for $10 US. The company offering it was EA (Electronic Arts). Maybe if you stop by the local MediaPlay outlet, they can order it for you. Hope this helps!

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**Talent** · April 15, 2002, 22:39

forget it? really? is it that bad? (you know I'm gonna get ti anyway...I mean i couldn't live with myself if I didn't get it...but you know you aren't the first person who has told me to forget about it. i guess for you it's like watching a car crash from a distance...you know what's going to happen...but there's nothing you can do to...lol

I have SMACX by itself (I bought it just before they were packaging them all together as a twin pack) if you or anyone out there would like to organise a trade...so much the better.

also if anyone wants SMACX from me... th'as cool.

thanks for the reply (I'll go check on EA to see if I can get it there.

Later.

Antoine (talent)

**Talent** · April 15, 2002, 22:42

i'll also check Media play (if there's on in toronto) there was a store called mediascape here that rocked: so many games for real cheap..but they went belly up.. I guess that's maybe why they were so cheap (ha.) since they died I've been a little strapped for good computer game outlets here in toronto.

thanks for the reply (I'll check out EA though)

Later.

Antoine (talent)

**Evil Robot** · April 15, 2002, 23:30

I like Civilization 3.

So sue me.

**Knave75** · April 15, 2002, 23:55

I bought this game in Missassauga (right next to Toronto) at Electronic Boutique in Square One for $10... they had about 5 copies too when I bought it (and that was about 3 months ago)

**RedFred** · April 16, 2002, 00:31

EB is good at checking around at their other outlets in your area for a game. Last time I saw it there it was strictly deep-discount, no manual, CD only version.

Evil Robot, I have no plans of suing you.

I should clarify my comments because I shouldn't slag a game I never played. I loved SMAC, SMACX, Civ and Civ2. Based on comments from other gamers who felt the same way, I decided not to purchase Civ3. I made a huge mistake buying CtP based on the hype and reviews and not the valued opinions of fellow gamers and since then I have been a lot more cautious.

**MariOne** · April 16, 2002, 05:49

Er... I know that duplicating CDs is illegal, but you should be granted the right to make a "back-up" CD copy when you buy it.

I know that I was able to copy the SMAC cd, while some protection mechannism (making the CD-writing sw available to me to read a defective track) made it impossible to copy SMAX (whithout more advanced CD-copy SW, that is).
{and that should raise serious right infringements here in Europe, if only someone would bother to file a suit against EA...}

If you find some other SMACer near you (so that post fares are affordable) you could get a SMAC CD-copy from someone.
As you had legally bought the CD in the first place, it would just be the "back-up copy" you have right to and that you forgot to store at the time...
Of course I'm not a lawyer, so I can't guaranteee you law safety. I just say that your conscience should be tranquil in doing so.

Oh, and don't buy CivIII.

**Ogie Oglethorpe** · April 16, 2002, 10:07

Originally posted by MariOne
Oh, and don't buy CivIII.

Seems to be a common theme amongst SMAC die hards.

**Talent** · April 17, 2002, 14:37

thankx everyone for all the replies. it seems that i started something (ie war between civ and SMAC)

all i can say about that is this: for me, civ is agame. a VERY GOOD game but a game none the less... SMAC is more like a lifestyle (with the factions and the different strategies...it's more of a following which is why SMAC diehards are more..let's say...emphatic!)

and as for the legal issue (although i don't think anyone should contact lawyers yet) I like your "backup' angle BUT i want to make something clear, regardless, as soon as i can find SMAC I WILL buy it! just out of an honour thing...It's such a grreat game that i feel the developpers deserve my $$$.

I'll check out those sites and that location in the saugs, thanks all.

later.

Talent.

**Talent** · April 17, 2002, 14:39

Oh one more thing.

there used to be that SMAC site to play games online. Does anyone know of how a SMAC afficionado would find good network games (without droppers or passers-by)
to set up?

any takers.

as soon as i get my SMAC i'd liketo get back to playing/

is apolyton a good location?

later.

talent

**RedFred** · April 17, 2002, 15:30

Apolyton is indeed a great place to hook up with others for multiplayer games. Just check out the multiplayer forum. I think there is even a sign-up thread somewhere.

An alternative is the Civilization Gamer's Network. As well, they have recently added a series of articles to help you improve your game so it is worth checking out.

Planet ACOL has been a bit quieter lately, but I did notice someone there recently that was looking for more players.

**Lucy In The Sky** · April 19, 2002, 19:31

Talent, I've 2 jewel-case-only versions of Alpha Centauri (not boxed, no manual, no tech tree poster) still w/the Best Buy $9.99 stickers on the unbroken cellophane wrappers. Cover my cost + 0.065% sales tax + shipping & one of them can be yours. PM me if interested.

**big_canuk** · April 19, 2002, 22:50

Wall Mart has SMAC for about $10.00

Costco has a 10 game pack for 19.99, that includes SMAC.

There are some recent threads for getting SMAX from Engand:

http://www.planetacol.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000565.html

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