Umm, how much ecodamge is too much ecodamage?

[Jamski]

Is THAT too much ecodamage for example? This caused sea levels to rise 1,200 metres in 20 years (with the other similar bases) Whoops. No amount of tree-farms will deal with that. Oh, as for the fungal pops, I cleared all the fungus in sight, and trimmed it regularly.

-Jam

[Blake]

250 treefarms would deal with that quite nicely

I regularly run minerals into the hundreds with 0 ED, once my bases have mad production i just keep building CPs then selling them all every so often and repeating. With 10 bases able to build a CP in two turns (buy in one for 90 credits) it doesn't really take long to get minerals above 200 while remaining clean.

Altough there isn't really any such thing as too much ED, the income from worms is very good. (altough if you have cash and minerals coming out of your ears then the cash wont help much... but it's good in OCC's)

[Jamski]

I find its more effienent to scrub the fungus away thatn have 10 core bases devoted to building and selling stuff. These are the bases that should be shooting up hundreds of satellites or masses of 'copters. In this game I had a handful of land-bases like this one with HUGE minerals, and then dozens of size-seven sea-bases fed with satellites and filled with specialists. A kinda experment. I didn't have the many bases that could do nothing with Cent. Preserves. Well, the sea bases could, but they were all a bit mineral poor - all specialists, no t-forming...

-Jam

[BustaMike]

Nice

Still, IMO it's way more productive to just do that with energy instead of minerals. You can just buy everything in 1 turn with energy to spare (that doesn't dissappear like the extra minerals do) and no ecodamage.

[#endgame]

If your build and sell a sky hydro farm/nessus mining station/orbital power transmitter, does its effects persist like the centauri preserve/treefarm/hybrid forest etc.?

[jtsisyoda]

Cool, Jamski, but I agree w/Busta-- energy is more important at this stage.

Ya know, if you really wanted to impress, your minerals double when building an orbital improvement, if you have... what is it again? Space Elevator? I love that project.

Good question, #endgame.

[Mr. Harley]

How many volcanoes did you get - just curious.

[Blake]

An even better question would be: How can you sell an orbital when it's attached to no base in particular?

You may think getting clean minerals up to 250 is unfeasable, but its not that hard. My average empire will consist of around 20 fully decked bases, the TF"s and HF's alone bring the limit up by 40. Then I have around another 20 bases with TF's and prehaps HF's, some of these bases are gifted to the AI. So it's reasonable I'll have a clean limit of about 80 before doing anything weird.

So I have my 20 bases with more production than god and I have more cash than god too (god isn't into such materialistic things). If I cant figure out what I want to build, I just build a CP! Then if I notice lots of bases already have CP's, I do sell all. I dont dedicate bases to CP production (thats a misconception), I just slip the odd CP into bases queues. But with 20 odd bases producing enough minerals to complete a CP in two turns (1 turn with a 90 cash rush) it doesn't take long at all to build a hundred CP's.

I admit it's fairly hard to spend all the production and cash, altough raw production above 50 is very good for producing entire shard choppers and stuff, cutting out all that build shell/upgrade nonsense. I don't abuse crawlers and definitely not the crawler upgrade cheat so if I find the cash is overflowing I sink it into SP's, altough SP's dont cost that much cash so I also give the odd 1000 cash gift to my favourite AI pets so they can squander it on useless things. In general obscene amounts of cash can be sunk into AI Faction reconstruction initiatves, a base with effective infrastructure all rushed in costs somewhere between 1000 and 2000 cash.

[Jamski]

Maybe I wanted to build a whole load of 24-12-8 gravships. Actually the plan was to build all the SPs in one base. Most pleasing when an SP is taking 2-3 turns to build

-Jam

[Lazerus]

2 to 3! turns ? bah
You need a lesson in industry from Mr.Yang

[Jamski]

OK, Laz, show me a base with 500+ minerals per turn

-Jam

[Lazerus]

Would do if i had my old saves used to regularly have dozens of core bases on atleast that sort of minerals, it doesnt take that many crawls with all the later mineral +50%'s and sats with high pop to push way into 1000+

*waits for somebody to go into scenario editor

[Blake]

Well with no crawlers at all, just 6 boreholes and the rest of base radius forest you get 47 food and 69 minerals. Add orbitals and thats 47 + 69 minerals = 116, then facilities brings the total to something around 350.

With 6 boreholes and the rest condensor/enrichers you get 90 food and 49 minerals, 139 with orbitals, facilities brings the total to around 420.

Both cases assume a reasonable distribution of flat/rolling and special resources . You can see that bases can reach very high levels of production even without mineral crawlers.

[CEO Aaron]

As blake points out, there's no need to suffer any ED even with a ludicrous amount of mineral income, just build and scrap Centauri Preserves until your clean mineral cap exceeds your mineral production.

As far as I'm concerned, any eco-damage which results in rising sea levels and subsequent washing of my shoreline improvements is too much. A better approach is to build more bases, and refocus harvesting efforts into energy, since energy is magnified more effectively with little drawbacks, and you can upgrade any unit and rush any facility you need with ECs.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

But what a huge waste of build turn queues.