Comments on Jamski's Facilities Guide

[Jamski]

Skunkworks: Only really worthwhile for one base, if you like to build expensive prototypes often. Generally, a waste. Would the savings you'd see on a Fusion PB prototype offset the cost of making Skunkworks first? Would upgrading a crawler or two with cash be cheaper still?

Dunno, I'm still working on the maths. At the moment my answer is "It depends" Basically using crawlers to build prototypes faster is only giving you turn advantage, not giving you savings. Upgrading crawlers means ... well, wait and see

Regarding scrapping redundant facs - this can be done with Perimiters, Energy Banks, Naval Yards, Aerospace Complexes, Command Centers, Bioenhancement Centers (just off the top of my head) so it got left out of discussions of individual facilities.

If you built enough Energy Banks that scrapping them paid for the PEG, then you have LOST MONEY and turn advantage in a huge way. Massivily inefficient play.

-Jam

[Impaler[WrG]]

No I ment that I had already built several Energy Banks but later built the PEG and thus scraped all the obsolete Energy Banks, it was a lage slow tec game so I had about 5 energy banks before I got the PEG built and I belive its 80 Credits for scraping, which would roughly translate to equaling the cost of building the Project.

[Jamski]

I know what you meant, but its >40 credits for scrapping, and unless you had those energy banks earn you at least 121 ec + 1 ec/turn untill scrapped (which I doubt) you lost credits on balance.

Not to mention wasting your build queues in the early game - an unforgiveable sin.

BUT, if you were playing vs humans you can't be sure of getting the PEG, so perhaps this could be justified.

-Jam

[Dis]

I dont' know where else to ask this so I'll ask it here.

What does the Manifold Nexus do? I can't remember. I don't ever remember building on it. It's not listed in the civilpedia (or whatever it's called in the SMAC game)

Maybe next, Jamski could do a terraforming guide .

[Barinthus]

Manifold Nexus, it's a SMAX feature, I believe.

I believe someone else already did a terraforming guide. I have it at work. However it's possible that strageties have evolved so perhaps a update would be good.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Dissident
What does the Manifold Nexus do?

It gives +1 PLANET in your SE if it is within your borders.

I thought, but I'm not completely sure, that in patch 4 of SMAC it already exists as well. Or was that the Borehole Cluster

[MrWhereItsAt]

It IS the Borehole Cluster you're thinking of. The Manifold Nexus only comes in with the Aliens in SMAX.

[MrWhereItsAt]

You ARE thinking of the Boreholes. The Manifold Nexus only comes in with the Aliens in SMAX.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
You ARE thinking of the Boreholes. The Manifold Nexus only comes in with the Aliens in SMAX.

That is incorrect. MN appeared to in patches, along with Borehole Cluster. It even had a special interlude.

[Zeiter]

Originally posted by GeoModder


facilities who are faction specific can't be scrapped as far as I know. Uni can't scrap network nodes, Hive can't scrap perimeter defenses, Pïrates can't scrap naval yards.

Whoops! Okay, I tried it out, and you are right, facilities that come with a faction can't be scrapped. In that case, the only good of the CDF as the Hive is to keep someone else from having it.

I guess I was thinking of when you are someone other than Yang, and you get the CDF. In that case, when you capture one of his bases, you can scrap the old Hive perimeter and you'll still have one, thanks to the CDF. That can be quite profitable.

[Dis]

Originally posted by obstructor


That is incorrect. MN appeared to in patches, along with Borehole Cluster. It even had a special interlude.

yep, I saw the interlude. And I don't have SMACX

I do believe it was with one of the patches, which may explain why it's not in the help civilpedia thingy. Although perhaps they wanted it to remain mysterious.

sorry. end of threadjack.

[/threadjack]

[Dis]

Originally posted by Zeiter


Whoops! Okay, I tried it out, and you are right, facilities that come with a faction can't be scrapped. In that case, the only good of the CDF as the Hive is to keep someone else from having it.

I guess I was thinking of when you are someone other than Yang, and you get the CDF. In that case, when you capture one of his bases, you can scrap the old Hive perimeter and you'll still have one, thanks to the CDF. That can be quite profitable.

but the mind worms can destroy such facilities. Just the other night a mindworm killed my defender and then destroyed my network node as I was playing as the University.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Dissident
but the mind worms can destroy such facilities. Just the other night a mindworm killed my defender and then destroyed my network node as I was playing as the University.

Yes, that can happen. Will learn you to protect vulnerable facilities better.

You can rebuild one, but IIRC, you'll have to pay upkeep for it then.

[Jamski]

Re Manifold Nexus : If playing as one of the alien factions you get +1 Research on the SE instead.

Maybe next, Jamski could do a terraforming guide

I'm not halfway through this one yet, hold your horses

-Jam

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Jamski
Re Manifold Nexus : If playing as one of the alien factions you get +1 Research on the SE instead.

Isn't it +1 Research and +1 Planet for the progenitors?