Sparta-Morgan Relations

[Googlie]

If they can get it, and package the commlink, some ec's (but at least 100) and one of the early level-1 techs, would that be worth Gene Splicing?

(we prolly stand a good chance of stealing ethcalc from Zak in a proberaid anyway, so 100 in our jeans plus ethcalc is the same either way, whether 200 plus a purchase or 100 plus a steal)

[Kassiopeia]

What level 1 techs are we missing anyway? BioGen? Wouldn't we manage without it?

[Googlie]

Biogenetics, Social Psych and Progenitor Psych

And yes, we don't need biogen now that we have Gene Splicing (so long as we can get trance from Zak)

Social Psych might be more valuable, as it leads to Doc Loyalty (whichj i doubt now that yang will sell to us) and on to Int Int and the CDF. For our purposes it's prolly the most valuable of the level1 techs that we lack

Prog Psych is one of these (to us) techs that only serves as a blocker to getting other techs (if unresearched or unaquired it'll often become that 'rogue tech" that blocks the tech we really want

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
The diplo window is old news, Method already dealt with it

Ok. Sorry. Things are happening so fast that I can hardly catch up.

[Googlie]

Hmm - interesting offer on the table from Morgan's Chief Diplomatic Officer (CDO), Mead.

I see them (in point # 1) agreeing to share 1/2 the excess income gained thru a Treaty or Pact

They'd like to "place an observer" aboard SCC Hunter and get screenies of what it explores (their point # 2)

The first is good, the second should cost them some skin (maybe we agree to that in exchange for them getting the Angels commlink however they deem possible (from Yang or from the Gaians) and giving it to us for free - ie information exchange - commlink for exploration data)

Kass - up to composing a reply to say that we like their initative and the Junta are presently considering it, and maybe ask them if they have, or intend getting, the Angels' commlink from The Gaians or the Chairman?

[KrysiasKrusader]

I just saw it.
It's about time they posted something.
We need something for proposal #2, like Googlie says.

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Otherwise...

This piqued my interest:

We have strong indications that the Gaians and Data Angels have, indeed, joined forces. Every year that went by without us meeting you was another year where they left Sparta and Morgan further behind.


It looks like (seems to me) that they are somewhat concerned about the closeness of the Gaian/Angel relationship (?).
Even mentioned that they were waiting/trying to for us to get into contact with them.


I dunno why. But I have the feeling that they are sincere about this. That this is not a form of deception.
If it is, then they would have fooled me (and I am quite "mefiant').

[Googlie]

I have posted the following in the Embassy:

Posted by Googlie in the Morgan-Sparta Embassy
While Major Kassiopeia, the Commanding Officer of our Diplomatic Corps, will reply more fully, after the junta has conferred, I can confirm one of the inferences you made:

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I suspect that amoung the two teams someone knows how to post partial screenshots.

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If agreement is made to host a Morgan observer aboard the SCC Hunter, we have the technology to assemble partial screenshots of its voyage of exploration (and can also post such screenshots here in our Embassy)

Major Googlie

[Googlie]

Originally posted by KrysiasKrusader
IIt looks like (seems to me) that they are somewhat concerned about the closeness of the Gaian/Angel relationship (?).
Even mentioned that they were waiting/trying to for us to get into contact with them.

It's maybe time for a full Junta meeting to thrash out our strategy in more depth

Till now it's been (or at least my understanding of it is):

• stay friendly but cool for the time being with all 3 human factions
• make the Uni our submissive research engine, and so be it if this leads to:
• Eliminate the PK's, capturing and assimilating their bases
• Ally with the Gaians to remove Yang as a threat
• Take out Morgan, with or without the Gaians help
• now so strong as to be invincible, turn our attention to the Angels, and subjugate them
• break with the Gaians, subjugate them, and declare ourselves El Supremo

Given the data that is emerging, we maybe need to re-evaluate that strategy (if indeed this is our strategy)

[Maniac]

The Morganites don't seem to have an intention to pay anything for the SCC Hunter map explorations. Instead they see half of the extra treaty commerce income as the payment. As predicted, they're trying to argue the commerce is part of their factional advantage, and thus they shouldn't really have to pay extra for a treaty.

To that we could of course reply that there is no special need for us at all to have a treaty - we could live without. So they need us to enable their special advantage, and therefore we would like to have half of the profit. SCC Hunter explorations would therefore not be automatically included in the treaty deal, though we would of course be willing to make a seperate deal about that.

Something like that?

[Googlie]

OOPS (dereliction of Duty). See here as well

[Googlie]

This puts a different spin on things - we can't get the Angels vis Morgan buying it from the Giains, as they haven't yet met

And a big OOPS on my part. For 2 reasons

1), this never showed up on my "AAARRRGGGHHH" mistake (and we had offered a treaty to the Gaians at that time), and

2) this turn, there were items offered by us in both diplo boxes so i never activated the "offer all techs" button for either

As we had assumed that Morgan and the Gaians had already met, what is our position on offering Gaia the commlink in a straight swap for the Angels? (we're no worse off than we thought we were)

(And it proves my theory that the Gaians didn't buy/trade for Ind Auto from Morgan)

[Maniac]

Weird. I seem to remember having seen previous turn that the Gaians already had the Morganite commlink.

So this would mean we're the only human faction the Morganites have met?

We could of course try to exploit this monopoly on tech trades for as long as possible.

On the other side, who knows they're busy building an exploration fleet to meet the other factions as we speak.

On the other-other side , that assumes they have bases on the south or west cost of their continent. If not, it could take a looooong time before any of their ships meet another faction.

In any case, IMO we should try to sell them gene splicing before giving them the Gaian commlink!

[Googlie]

I've made my major comments in the Gaian-Sparta thread, but I agree, it prolly means that Morgan has only met the Hive until we came calling.

It's no wonder they're paranoid!!

(And as they just got Flex a turn ago, it's also not surprising that they want to piggy-back their exploration on our ships)

This whole commlink exchange is something we have to discuss carefully before committing, as it holds enormous potential (given that the Angels and the gaians don't yet have Doc Flex, and are restricted to overland movement - ie, to the Hive)

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Maniac
The Morganites don't seem to have an intention to pay anything for the SCC Hunter map explorations. Instead they see half of the extra treaty commerce income as the payment. As predicted, they're trying to argue the commerce is part of their factional advantage, and thus they shouldn't really have to pay extra for a treaty

What meeting room am I reading? Either I've gotten a severe case of dyslexia, have misunderstood something, or failed to notice something, the Morganites are proposing that we get half of the extra trade, as IIRC was the intention, and they just want the maps. I don't see them offering *anything* in return for the maps. Nor am I reading anywhere that they're specifically touting it as a factional advantage per se. Of course, Mead's post is downright illegible since he messed up his quotations.

I just feel very at the moment.

The fact that the Morganites haven't met the Gaians yet puts us into a VERY VERY strong position. What's more, they seem to be incredibly paranoid as to the Dataangel/Gaian axis. Probably just to appeal to us to make us join forces with them more readily?

[KrysiasKrusader]

Well now I'm confused (Don't tell me I have to re-read all the posts of the last week again?).

I was never under the impression that the Morganites and Gaians had met. And, it was clear to me that we are the first to have met them. I was sure the rest of you saw things the same way. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Any ways... I'll go and start reviewing everything (again...).