Turn 2163-2164

[Mead]

Originally posted by arginine
It is worth noting that the Spartans AND the Uni had Synth Fossil Fuels on the turn we discovered them (2161).

Furthermore, the Federation has not been infiltrated yet. I think (albeit I have little hard evidence to back it up) that the Federation is trying to avoid us infiltrating them like the plague.

I firmly believe they have been try to avoid infitration.

Look at how they avoided taking Morgan Muss in the turn they destroyed the PTS.

Taking Morgan Muss would have made the invasion easier for them, but would have meant we could infiltrate afters.

I think they are, wisely, avoiding attacking us until it is a deathblow.


Mead

[arginine]

I don't know if this is worth mentioning, but that pact with the Gaians is bringing in 40 EC / turn. Being an underdog with lots of treaties might be useful...

No offense, but we could try rushing a net node, switch to D: AP, plug in the alien artifact, switch to PS, then go all out on planes?

Switching to PS would cut our energy income to 148 EC and boost our unit support from 0 to 3 free units.

[Mead]

Originally posted by arginine
I don't know if this is worth mentioning, but that pact with the Gaians is bringing in 40 EC / turn. Being an underdog with lots of treaties might be useful...

No offense, but we could try rushing a net node, switch to D: AP, plug in the alien artifact, switch to PS, then go all out on planes?

Switching to PS would cut our energy income to 148 EC and boost our unit support from 0 to 3 free units.

Sounds good to me.

I'm thinking of play hardball with the DA. Telling them about Sparta having DAP and that we're thinking of capitulpating to Sparta if we can't get a Pact out of DA. I've been trying to get them to Pact with us. I'm thinking of the same strategy with the Gaians to get them to tech trade.


Mead

[Mead]

Good thing you moved that foil around.

Mead

[arginine]

They are going to be talking to the Spartans and amongst each other... We don't know what the Spartans have said about us. Our record in dealing with the Spartans is not clean...

I would should it to the DAs just to give them fear, that and the powergraph...

I am not up to speed and therefore not a good source of knowledge.

[Mead]

Proposed letter:

Dear Data Angels and Gaians:

We are troubled to inform you that the Spartans have now fielded an air force. We can provide screenshoots of a B-6 Hardened Spartan Needlejet in flight.

The Corporation has been presented with couple of choices. One, immediate capitualtion to the Spartans. We can either become the Spartan Pet, or allow the Spartan forces to enter and occupy our bases on by one. Or, two, death within 4 turns. Most of our members can join the victorious Spartan empire.

That can happen.

Instead of the above, we could continue to carry on the fight if we have the complete and total cooperation of the Gaians and DA. As I have been saying over the past few turns, perhaps, if we all enter into a three way Pact and coordinate our defensive and tech research we might be able to hold off the Spartan advance.

Without complete and total cooperation we might as well go over to the Spartans. The game won't turn out any differently, but at least it will end a little sooner and we'll have a little more fun (maybe they'll let us drive/fly a few of the planes).

Please let us know soon so we can make our decision.


PS
Even with all of us cooperating together it is questionable whether any of us will live. At least we can try.

Mead

[Mead]

I have not yet sent the PM. I am awaiting input from the Corporation.

My feeling is that whoever doesn't play ball gets nothing. Whoever does play ball with us gets everything.


Mead

PS
We might consider capitulating.

I would rather help Sparta kill the DA and Gaia if the DA and Gaia don't help us, than serve as a speed bump trying to give the DA and Gaia more time.

If they want us to help them slow Sparta down, then they have to absolutley and completely help us.

[arginine]

I think the Federation is going to spit in our face with any offer we have to give them considering how peace negotiations were handled post 'hunter'. We had our chance to team with the Spartans. That time has passed.

[AndiD]

They wanted to spit in our face - they took very good real-life role models for these kind of provocations and "negotiations".

I fully support Mead's PM to Gaia and the Angels. I have asked for a 24 hour extension, that we can bring the Pact and tech gifts on track before the turn goes to the next faction.

I will play the turn as discussed and wait till the last minute with posting to have plenty of time to sort out diplomacy - whoever wants to give gameplay input is still welcome to do so, of course.

[#endgame]

Can we help the DA get probes into enough factions to get DAP through techshare? Bitter end, all the way.

-- CTO #endgame

[Mead]

A few notes:

Overrushing
Overrushing is paying the full amount to finish an item tand then a few extra ECs.

Example Base X produces 7 mins per turn. It will finish the itme it is currently producing in 2 turns but will rush the item if you pay 20EC.

You could just pay 6 mins and have it complete next turn.
You could pay 20EC and it would complete next turn and carry 7 mins over to the next thing it builds.
You could pay 26EC (overrush) and it would carry 10EC over to the next thing it builds.

The max min carryover is 10 I think. If you have 10 mins already, it makes rushing things even cheaper.

If you don't overrush in the above example rushing two turns in a row is expensive. If you do overrush then you can economically rush every turn.

Roads
We may want to start tearing up some roads now. I'm worried about the plane off the east cost - why is it there? to screen for an invasion? I'm worrid about the ships off the west coast? an invasion is coming quickly.


Mead
Mead

[AndiD]

Perhaps the plane is there to simply let us know?

I will continue turnplaying tomorrow during the day. Tearing down roads is something I will do for sure.

[Mead]

Originally posted by AndiD
Perhaps the plane is there to simply let us know?

I will continue turnplaying tomorrow during the day. Tearing down roads is something I will do for sure.

It may be to keep an eye out for any invasion from us.

They don't know where the trans foil is, nor where the two gatorboats are.


They may be just looking for targets or patrolling to make sure we don't get too close to infiltrating with our probes.


Mead

[Whoha]

The penetrator was likely searching for targets.

[Mead]

Thoughts For New Game

I'm going to Start a new thread 'Thoughts for New Game' in the open threads.

I have two reasons.


One, it looks like this game will end shortly.

Two, it may start to nudge DA and Gaia to move into pacting and tech trading with us.

I'm not sure if it will work.
Based upon what I see from the inaction of both, they either don't care much about the current game, have no clue as to the strength of Sparta, are currently Spartan pets, or are getting some very substantial things in return for not working with us.


Mead