The Infotrader/Infiltrator Network - Diplomacy plug-in (II)

[ForesterSOF]

I t is long and complicated but In the end it boils down to a yes on intermediating.

If we can do well the future with the S could look better.

[Hercules]

I am not in favour of paying for Doc: Air especially when we are close to acquiring it ourselves. via our special ability.

However I can agree to a Pact, with Spartans. This would give us a third infiltrated faction (with Doc: Air research) so when Lal discovers it we will discover it also.

It also goes without saying that we would not accept tech trading restrictions if we discover it ourselves.

[GeoModder]

Perhaps asking for a price for DocInit then?

[ForesterSOF]

It seems we three say yes just specifics have to be done.

I had none and what Hercules says makes sence.

With the responce being so long and it tok a while to compose/(send to us) I would not push to hard.

[Hercules]

But at this time it may be useful to initiate a discussion with Morgan and Gaian Ambassadors about this diplomatic approach from the Spartans, to learn of their views.

I think we can say to them that we see ourselves in the role of peace negotiators.

[foolish_icarus]

Dodging on the military pact request gives the Spartans a greater incentive to make the peace process work while also preventing hard feelings and also making the Gains and Morganites more willing to engage in and accept provisions from the peace. We don’t want the Spartans to feel too secure or the Gains/Morganites to feel backed into a corner.

By “diplomatic approach” I assume you mean the Spartans’ willingness to restore peace through negotiations, not their suggestion of military alignment? It might be best to just leave that out from communications with G/M and even play it down or be noncommittal in future with S. The less pressure on this supposedly forthcoming peace process, the better.

[Mart]

Originally posted by Hercules
I am not in favour of paying for Doc: Air especially when we are close to acquiring it ourselves. via our special ability.

I agree. Let us get Doc Initiative. We may explain, that at the moment we need it more. They will probably get the idea of the truth anyway... but at least not directly from us.

[Hercules]

So what's the update with Gaians and Morgan.

[Hercules]

Next turn the Gaians will know we acquired SFF and then may know/guess ? we have infiltrated Morgan. Can they tell from opening one of our bases. ?

[GeoModder]

We could always say it's due to them having received it from the Morgans. After all, Lal and Yang have it as well.

They have no idea how long we have info on both of them so...

[ForesterSOF]

I would not advertise our knowlege for the S seem skitish enough with us.

[Hercules]

Originally posted by GeoModder
We could always say it's due to them having received it from the Morgans. After all, Lal and Yang have it as well.

They have no idea how long we have info on both of them so...

I favour a version of this.

We can advise them saying Yang and Lal have this already so we must have got it when they acquired it (which is true). We don't suggest we know where they got it from.

Indeed they may actually have stolen it from Yang or Lal for all we know.

Or even more confusingly, we congratulate them on stealing SFF from Yang or Lal.

[Hercules]

Meanwhile ForesterSoF has reminded me that we have agreed to transmit EE to the Gaians. I presume they have agreed to send a future tech in return.

I think we can and should do this if we and they have agreed already.

Does anyone think or know if the Spartans have infiltrated the Gaians? Any signs hints?.

The acquistion of Env Econ by Gaians is deniable as sent by us as we can say Lal has it and Gaian's could have easily probed it from them. This is more plausible if Spartans do not have infiltration on Gaians.

By the time Morgan, Gaian and we get Doc: Air the tech trade path is lost. Note the Spartans thoughts on delaying a Pact with us until 2169 at earliest would almost fit this timetable, (with the pact they will know exactly when we receive Doc: Air, with a year delay it will all be become rather confused).

[GeoModder]

No way to know if Spartans have infiltration on Gaians. Not likely without a transport/probe team combo on their part, for all northern bases are way inshore.

And there's a pact between Gaians and Morgans. Spartans will assume that every new tech Gaians receive comes from the Morgans.

[FlameFlash]

Lots to catch up on, but hopefully I'm back now.

From the way I see it, things are progressing well but we're sitting on a fine line.

S wants a pact, M wants a pact, G wants a pact. Obviously, we are seen right now as the balance tilter. Whether that is well-deserved probably remains to be seen.

Neutrality certianly is the best course of action, as is getting Doc: Air through our special, as well as any (and all) techs possible that route now that there's an opening for it. We then become the information brokers we were meant to be.

In this way we try to get enough energy to buy up some defensive and offensive units, say a combo of highest defense rovers possible and highest offense planes to attempt a spearhead invasion of Yang. We have infiltration on him, after all, we should start making the most of it and trying to take him on on our own. This would be the ultimate act of neutrality as far as the human factions are concerned, and perhaps even attempt to encourage each of them to join with us through a pact to all take on Yang until he is defeated, using our bases as the Y-Day attack front for S and G's domain for M.

After Y is defeated, the teamwork that was shown through the Y-War might just be enough to show that Planet can work peacefully toward its goals. What we need to do is just have the most defensive rovers in place ready to zip in and at least secure the closest Y bases. This way any 'foothold' M or S get near us is buffered by former Y bases.

Just some thoughts after reading through to catch up.