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  • #16
    I just voted No. It right now shows 1-4-2, add Mead's vote and change Jamski's vote (not sure that one) it might become 3-3-2?

    The reason I do not think that Comrade Mead's turn should be used, is that we cannot judge whether we should use a turn based on the result. It was decided at the time of the turn by the majority of active players and the CMC chairman that we should not start the univ war until the next turn. That order is not followed. It is not right that we look at how the result is in favor of us and then decide whether we keep the turn. We need to follow what is decided.

    Now let me also comment on the result. If we play according to the plan, we have agreed that Drones and Hive will each get half of the uni bases as long as we contribute same amount of forces. Buster has even done things for us by sending one of his plane to our advanced troop. There is nowhere saying that Drones' will take most uni bases and we only get "craps".

    Now what Mead's play resulted is that the Drones will not be able to take sunshine coast because it is reduced to size 1. Instead of carrying out the attacking plan in their turn, they can either use longreach as a stop, or order their force go home. There will be bases that are out of range from longreach where we planned to attack from sunshine coast. Basically, it would not be possible for the Drones and Hive to each occupy six or seven uni bases by the end of our turn 2161 and slice up the entire uni territory. Rather, it is possible that we would get about four or five bases and drones may only get one or two bases. If we can't occupy most if all of uni bases by the end of our turn 2161 the univ will get MMI.

    I understand the reason Comrade Mead insists that his turn should be used is that he believe it is more beneficial to the Hive. What I would like to say is that is is not more beneficial to us in the sense that if the joint attack plan is disrupted and the Drones only get one chance to attack before our turn 2161 then the uni gets MMI and CC gets MMI from uni before the Drones' turn 2161. It is not only bad for the Drones. It is definitely bad for the Hive. We need to be able to see a little farther then the current turn.

    Last, I would like to repeat the reason I oppose to use Mead's turn is not because I have a different interpretation of his result. It is because I believe the principle of a demo game that decisions of the team be carried should be upheld no matter what.
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    • #17
      I already manually added Meads vote after he said he couldn't vote.
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      • #18
        I would like to know who would be redoing the turn. Would you redo it according to the old orders Comrade Mead? Or should I do it? Can Comrade Rubin do it? Or somebody else?

        I don't think it is something that we should argue about redo the turn. The turn was not done appropriately because the orders are not carried out. We must carry out those orders no matter if people changed their minds or not. I would like to express my strong opposition to that turn or redo the turn exceptly like how it was done. If the gods ruled that it is how it should be done then I would abide. If the majority decide that we should use the old turn simply because it is good for us, I will quit the game. Because it would not be the demo game that I understand it is then.
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        • #19
          f the majority decide that we should use the old turn simply because it is good for us, I will quit the game. Because it would not be the demo game that I understand it is then.
          Change my vote back to DON'T KEEP THE TURN then.

          Let's replay it.

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          • #20
            I voted 'No'.

            Comrade HongHu's previous post in another thread made me see how things are.

            And I'm not saying this just because I want to sound like a sycophant, but really do believe it.

            Patience Comrades. The CPU will get theirs and the Drone-Hive alliance will be eating cake in the CyCon capital before you know it.
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            • #21
              It looks pretty clear that we're going to end up replaying. Only question is who is doing it, as HongHu said. Mead, HongHu, or Rubin? (I presume those are the only options).
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              • #22
                Yeah, I don't have 'X'.
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                • #23
                  God tass, how long do we have before we must post a turn? I would prefer somebody else do it because I really shouldn't be doing the turns any more. However if Mead and Rubin or everybody else do not feel up to it I would post my turn.
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                  • #24
                    I guess if we decided mead is the turnplayer then he should replay it the best possible ignoring whatever he might know he shouldnt and playing accordingly to CMC's decitions.
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