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Tassadar Posted this in the Turn TrackingII Thread
What exactly did she ask for?
If it is to redo the turn with another turn player then I suggest the Will of the People decide. I suggest we put it to a vote among the active members.
Do we want the turn I played or do we want to do a new one.
My vote, understandably, is for the one I played.
Before you vote.
Think of the benefits that we have got.
We have taken Longreach. There are no enemy probes within range.
We emptied the Uni garrison in Longreach and Sunrise. We destroyed the Uni transport and 1-1-1 scout.
We took no losses.
In Longreach we have:
4 - Healthy choppers
1 - Hurt chopper 40% damaged
2 - Drop infantry 1~3-1
In Freedman's Park we have:
2 - Drop probes 0~1-1
1 - Drop Rover 1~1-1
1 - Needlejet
1 - Drop infantry 1~3-1
With these units we can take at least two more Uni bases perhaps 3 or 4 next turn. We can rage through Uni like the hungry wolves we are. Buster can take several as well. We can stop Uni from getting MMI.
If we replay the turn:
Buster takes most of the choice Uni bases, leaving us the scraps. (assuming his choppers are not discovered and attacked while sitting on the water)
Our choppers will make the run from Freedman's to a place where we hope they are not discovered. They will take damage on the crash landing and it is almost certain that one or more will not survive the attack they would make next turn.
Uni and hence CyCon will get MMI (they will get choppers and drop).
It is likely that our relative decline behind the Drones will continue. We may get so relatively weak that we will become a client state of theirs, or they may decide to just take us.
This is one of the reasons I have been pushing hard for Drone/Hive unification. I wanted us to unify the factions now while we are still equals rather than later when we are diminutive. Please do not misunderstand me. I like and respect Buster, but my duty is to the Hive.
The battles we waged in the east may well turn out the same.
We have no probeship that is even close to being in range of Conshelf57. It will be several turns before we can build one and get it to Conshelf57. Peace will be destroyed by then. Although unlikely, the Uni invasion may influence CyCon to move its emphasis from attacking the last Peace base (in particular the CyCon aircraft) to support CyCon?s and Peace?s eastern defenses.
We still have a shortage of aircraft to deal with everything we want to do on the eastern front:
Kill CyCon CP requires one aircraft.
Empty Conshelf57 (if we win the odds this time) requires one aircraft. We have only two needlejets in the eastern theater. One must land and refuel or crash. I think the use I made of that in-flight needlejet was rather good. It reconned on the return trip to New Moscow, found the CyCon CP, continued its trip to New Moscow, hovered over the city, killed the 4-3-1 Data Angel infantry, and is ready for use the next turn.
Place a needlejet over the Peace schooner as aircover requires one needlejet. I choose not to do this because our units did not spot the CyCon Probe foil. They should have if it was close, and Peace did not (I assume or else they would have told us) the CyCon Probe foil. One of these ships would have spotted based upon its movements.
All battles on the eastern front (I apologize if I confused some into thinking I was launching an invasion of the Data Angels homeland by my terminology) with the exception of Conshelf57 went well. Using Gooliegrad?s chopper to empty Conshelf57 did and does make sense. I was not the only one to suggest it. The battle was hard fought, but lost fair and square. It just doesn't seem right that we get the opportunity to roll the dice again.
If the request Hong Hu made to Tassadar was to replay the turn then this will be a major decision on the part of the Hive.
I suggest we get a clear vote from a majority of the active members before we decide to replay the turn.
I vote in no uncertain terms to keep the turn and roll forward to victory.
Mead
I have ruled in Honghus favor.
If it is to redo the turn with another turn player then I suggest the Will of the People decide. I suggest we put it to a vote among the active members.
Do we want the turn I played or do we want to do a new one.
My vote, understandably, is for the one I played.
Before you vote.
Think of the benefits that we have got.
We have taken Longreach. There are no enemy probes within range.
We emptied the Uni garrison in Longreach and Sunrise. We destroyed the Uni transport and 1-1-1 scout.
We took no losses.
In Longreach we have:
4 - Healthy choppers
1 - Hurt chopper 40% damaged
2 - Drop infantry 1~3-1
In Freedman's Park we have:
2 - Drop probes 0~1-1
1 - Drop Rover 1~1-1
1 - Needlejet
1 - Drop infantry 1~3-1
With these units we can take at least two more Uni bases perhaps 3 or 4 next turn. We can rage through Uni like the hungry wolves we are. Buster can take several as well. We can stop Uni from getting MMI.
If we replay the turn:
Buster takes most of the choice Uni bases, leaving us the scraps. (assuming his choppers are not discovered and attacked while sitting on the water)
Our choppers will make the run from Freedman's to a place where we hope they are not discovered. They will take damage on the crash landing and it is almost certain that one or more will not survive the attack they would make next turn.
Uni and hence CyCon will get MMI (they will get choppers and drop).
It is likely that our relative decline behind the Drones will continue. We may get so relatively weak that we will become a client state of theirs, or they may decide to just take us.
This is one of the reasons I have been pushing hard for Drone/Hive unification. I wanted us to unify the factions now while we are still equals rather than later when we are diminutive. Please do not misunderstand me. I like and respect Buster, but my duty is to the Hive.
The battles we waged in the east may well turn out the same.
We have no probeship that is even close to being in range of Conshelf57. It will be several turns before we can build one and get it to Conshelf57. Peace will be destroyed by then. Although unlikely, the Uni invasion may influence CyCon to move its emphasis from attacking the last Peace base (in particular the CyCon aircraft) to support CyCon?s and Peace?s eastern defenses.
We still have a shortage of aircraft to deal with everything we want to do on the eastern front:
Kill CyCon CP requires one aircraft.
Empty Conshelf57 (if we win the odds this time) requires one aircraft. We have only two needlejets in the eastern theater. One must land and refuel or crash. I think the use I made of that in-flight needlejet was rather good. It reconned on the return trip to New Moscow, found the CyCon CP, continued its trip to New Moscow, hovered over the city, killed the 4-3-1 Data Angel infantry, and is ready for use the next turn.
Place a needlejet over the Peace schooner as aircover requires one needlejet. I choose not to do this because our units did not spot the CyCon Probe foil. They should have if it was close, and Peace did not (I assume or else they would have told us) the CyCon Probe foil. One of these ships would have spotted based upon its movements.
All battles on the eastern front (I apologize if I confused some into thinking I was launching an invasion of the Data Angels homeland by my terminology) with the exception of Conshelf57 went well. Using Gooliegrad?s chopper to empty Conshelf57 did and does make sense. I was not the only one to suggest it. The battle was hard fought, but lost fair and square. It just doesn't seem right that we get the opportunity to roll the dice again.
If the request Hong Hu made to Tassadar was to replay the turn then this will be a major decision on the part of the Hive.
I suggest we get a clear vote from a majority of the active members before we decide to replay the turn.
I vote in no uncertain terms to keep the turn and roll forward to victory.
Mead
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