Turn 2156

[Snowflake]

But there are still some enemies around right now mind you. And will be for some time too.

[Mead]

Originally posted by HongHu
It does matter since we can't gift bases freely to each other. Whatever bases we take will stay with us. I want to coorperate with Drones. I don't want to backstab them.

I absolutely don't want to backstab them.

But, we have not entered into an agreement on which base to let them take.

I want us to get Longreach and its northern neighbor that are sharing the boreholes.

[BIG QUESTION: Longreach should be size two by the time we attack it. Will our destruction of the last unit, even if it is just a probe unit, reduce its population to 1? Will then our occupation of it obliterte it?

I want to capture it so we can use it to continue the invasion (drop units from it, land choppers and planes there, have a safe place for units to rest and repair).

If it would be destroyed then how many EC would a probe action take; assuming we destroy the probe there with airpower first?]



Consider it a friendly compitition.

Should the Drones ask then we should agree to discus who will take what. Until they do, I see no restriction on either us taking all we can take or them taking all they can take.


Mead

PS

Until it looks like they are ready to start taking bases or until it looks like we really need to coordinate the invasion with them I think we should just go ahead and take what we can.

[t_ras]

i generally agree with mead. just that ill think will have to be very sensitive not to loose our friendship with them too eisily.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Mead

I want us to get Longreach and its northern neighbor that are sharing the boreholes.

I think we could tell them that around turn 2157-2158, depending on when we are ready.

[BIG QUESTION: Longreach should be size two by the time we attack it. Will our destruction of the last unit, even if it is just a probe unit, reduce its population to 1? Will then our occupation of it obliterte it?

I want to capture it so we can use it to continue the invasion (drop units from it, land choppers and planes there, have a safe place for units to rest and repair).

If it would be destroyed then how many EC would a probe action take; assuming we destroy the probe there with airpower first?]

I can't answer this question. I'm BAAAD at wars. That's exactly why we need other people than me to run the turns when the war actually starts.

Until it looks like they are ready to start taking bases or until it looks like we really need to coordinate the invasion with them I think we should just go ahead and take what we can.

They have asked in the beginning. We have not responded yet. And I think we are currently coordinating the invasion with them. Although we really can't coordinate too much yet until we got our armies ready.

[Snowflake]

Ok I finally finished the redo run. Took me longer than double the time I did it last time. I have tried to do exactly what I have done but it is really hard to think about what I did for all those formers and crawlers. Also a couple bases production changed because the circumstances changed. I suppose because the PEACE war had different result (I forgot to check sorry) some of our bases' b-drone level changed. So I had to do a scout in googlie's base and do not need it for kody.

Sorry I was too tired and forgot to save before end-turn also. It is mainly the same with the last run I believe, but definitely not exactly the same as I indicated above.

[Voltaire]

Seeing as I am slowly going to be phasing back into active duty over the next week I’d like to know two things, the status of our military buildup and our defenses? Call me paranoid, and I have the utmost trust in HongHu and everyone, but my faith in the CyCon seems low, they will (if at all rational) take out end of a pact with them as a sign of hostility, and will see that we are planning a military buildup since we’re denying them infiltration. Given their knowledge of our current military status they might think it a good idea to attack soon before we get our defenses up. Now of course I believe we can withstand and deflect any such attempt, but we must keep in mind the possibility of such an occurrence and take countermeasures to prevent it. As for what these countermeasures should be, aside from the defense buildup itself, perhaps on the diplomatic front attempt to delay hostile action by the CyCon somehow.

[Snowflake]

We have 1 scout and 1 +3 garrison in each of the east bases. Also two noodles and a cruiser and another ship is nearby. Each base also have a probe too I believe. I think we should be ok so far.

Dip front if we could somehow slip some info to them saying we are busy building up defenses (instead of offenses) maybe they won't want to attck us soon? Or would they want to attack us before we get lots of defenses?

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by HongHu
We have 1 scout and 1 +3 garrison in each of the east bases. Also two noodles and a cruiser and another ship is nearby. Each base also have a probe too I believe. I think we should be ok so far.

Dip front if we could somehow slip some info to them saying we are busy building up defenses (instead of offenses) maybe they won't want to attck us soon? Or would they want to attack us before we get lots of defenses?

The prudent course of action would be to attack before your enemy has defenses ready. Therefore I think that if we tell them that we are building up defenses they make take it as a sign that we are unprepared and will see that as a window in which they can attack. Given this perhaps I was too hasty to state that we should take diplomatic action, the best course may indeed be silence. What we might want to do is now that we have secured our homeland would be to prepare our offenses so that we may strike first if we so chose. This might allow us to take out the CyCon invasion force long before they even reach us, a pre-emptive measure designed to secure our holdings.

[Mead]

Originally posted by Voltaire

The prudent course of action would be to attack before your enemy has defenses ready. Therefore I think that if we tell them that we are building up defenses they make take it as a sign that we are unprepared and will see that as a window in which they can attack. Given this perhaps I was too hasty to state that we should take diplomatic action, the best course may indeed be silence. What we might want to do is now that we have secured our homeland would be to prepare our offenses so that we may strike first if we so chose. This might allow us to take out the CyCon invasion force long before they even reach us, a pre-emptive measure designed to secure our holdings.

We have DAP now. CyCon will have to wait until after next turn to get it from Uni.

I am recommending a full assault on Uni holdings starting in two turns.


We need to exploit the small window of oppurtunity we have now to take all of Uni (OK, share some of it with the Drones if necessary), before CyCon can marshall the combined bases of CyCon, Uni, and captured Peace into a direct threat to us.


A few defensive needlejets patrolling ours and the Drones coasts should keep both the Drones and us safe for the near to mid term future.

I will review the turn when we get it from the Drones and make some detailed proposals for military action over the next three turns. For now I am thinking Chop n' Drop.

To repeat what I stated in my prior posts I would something like:

4 to 6 Needlejets;
6 Missile Choppers;
4 1-3-2 Drop Rovers (could use infantry if necessary, or a mix); and
4 Drop Probes;

to start the war, but I could start it with about two thirds the above forces if required.

The best defense is to use our air assets to patrol the waters approaching our shores, and to roll back the CyCon/Uni (I like the term AOE, short for Axis of Evil, as well) bases so that if AOE is still around when missiles and PB's become available, our core bases will be out of range from their bases.


Mead

[Jamski]

Voltaire - don't worry - we have been planning a "first strike" for some time

-Jam