War Preparation

[t_ras]

1)well i think to defence our selvs, as our almighty chairman recomended, we should first build a fleet. a few vassels will be anough to defend our shores, no need for more right now.
2) we should build, at 1st step, at least 6 strong ground units, as chairman said- for redundancy.
3) a couple of air units would be anough at 1st to help defense.

the problem is that , paralel to all that, we should be building nodes to prevent future dron riots (which are quickly aproaching as i could see in many citys) cause it can badly heart our war-production eforts.
this force as to a 3 step production program:

1) half the citys that need nodes will be building them, the other half will begin with military units and the rest will do too. the halfs will change one by one as nodes are built.
2) building rest of needed military unit (only ofr defence!!)
3) building units for conquering force.

if this principlas look ok for most of you i'll need a list of defence units you want to build (only for defence!!) and i'll preper a prduction program for all citys.

[Snowflake]

For defense I suppose a few +3 garrison can be built to defend the coastle cities. I do not feel we should concentrate our effort to build a large navy force. If we were to go this route we would be able to do it long ago. But we waited to get DAP and MMI.

I still think we should build a good air force and coordinate with the Drones to take out the univ before they can even start thinking about attacking us. A good offense is a good defense.

For Drones problem, right now because of the number of crawlers I think we can offord some librarains perhaps supplemented with some cheap scouts. We will get police units in 3 turns and the scouts can be upgraded to polices if needed. It may take more than 3 turns to build a node in many bases anyway so the police route may actually be easier. We are the Hive. We should take advantage of that.

[t_ras]

an air fleet can not patrol coasts to check for intrutions, and a naval fleet for this might only take about 3-4 vassels.
the police idea might be good. any way the crowlers should be scrified to build military units, they wont do as any good (though i might be wrong for this one). specialy if we want to concentrate in military units.

[Jamski]

It is starting to look to me like:

Drones, Hive, and Peace vs. CyCon and Uni

I think we can now consider that a "cold war" is in place between the two superpowers.

We need to prepare for the possibility of a "hot war"

The first step we MUST take is to cancel our pact with the CyCon. We can't let them see our preparations, but thanks to the Drones being governor, we can spy on them still. Secondly we need to switch all bases to millitary production. And I mean ALL. The biggest advantage we have is that we can flood the CyCon and Uni with more units. Thirdly we need to discuss detailed war plans with the Drones. We MUST consider that the CyCon-Uni block are now our enemies. If they are perma-pacting, then there is no chance of a shared victory anymore. Planet ain't big enough for the two of us...

-Jam

[t_ras]

i'm against using ALL bases for military units AT THIS SPESIFIC MOMENT. but totaly agree with all other.
well sayd cammarade Jamski

[Jamski]

Salutae Kamrade!

I don't see why we can't put at least MOST of the bases to millitary building now. We really need at least 10-15 of our best foils in the water as soon as damm well possible. That means getting ALL the coastal bases building, and rushing the prototypes. Then we need better defenders... after we have built all that lot we should have D:AP, then we just need some sea-bases to serve as a launch-base for bombing the CyCon...

But we need a sea-screen of foils first.

-Jam

[t_ras]

any one has subjections to this plan?

[Jamski]

I'm just paranoid - if they get troops landed its goodbye crawlers, goodbye formers.... we go DOWN.

-Jam

[Voltaire]

I agree with what has been said so far, in particular about the Cold War analogy Jamski brought up. Though I would like to stress the need for a wider defenses then just along the costal cities. I’d feel more secure if we could eventually build up a garrison of at least 2 defensive units in each of our cities; ideally this is what we should be aiming for, but for the time being the costal defenses will do.

Also, speaking of the Cold War scenario, we need to ensure we get Planet Busters first, it is imperative that we have them in order to maintain the balance of power on our side.

One other thing of note, I agree with HongHu that we should take the University out first in a combined attack with the Drones, get them out of the way so we can concentrate on the CyCon.

[Jamski]

One other thing of note, I agree with HongHu that we should take the University out first in a combined attack with the Drones, get them out of the way so we can concentrate on the CyCon.

Me too - and the sooner the better IMHO.

I'm not sure we should place our faith in base defenders though. The CyUni can simply kill all our crawlers and bombard all our t-forming.... We need that foil screen. Attack foils and Probe foils and even a few Armour foils?

-Jam

[Vev]

Wow I am late catching up.

Okay a very long time back in turn 2120's I was inspired by Googlies PB production plan.

The idea was to make use of crawlers and prototype designs. If we wish to use the crawlers, at least use the full value.

The idea was to have one prototype design not yet built, maybe, the needlejet or chopper chassis, or missle weapon, and build lots of it in one go.

This works because you can use all of the crawler's value for prototypes.

The down side is co-ordinating the whole deal. You have a window of one, possibly two turns to exploit this.

Turn 1:
One base fully pays the prototype cost with all the minerals ready.
All other bases fill up to 2/3 or slightly less - depending on production rate. This is done with crawlers to take advantage of it, otherwise all this effort is unnecessary.

Although not as important, it would be nice to stay under that value or else it will result in wasted minerals.

Turn 2:
One base completes the prototype.
All other participating bases will have their cost reduced and are now ready to finish the production.

PM me, if there is something urgent.

[Vev]

What about using needlet jet patrols instead of foils?

[Jamski]

Does the same job, then yeah. But we need them soon.

-Jam

[Vev]

Don't we have the design?

[Mead]

Originally posted by Vev
What about using needlet jet patrols instead of foils?

I agree.

Our foils will be very vulnerable to CyCon.

They have Maritime +2 movement.

If we put foils in the water it is likely that they will be found and destroyed.

We have Cloudbase.

We can cover a lot of area with a few needlejets.

Our needlejets will be at least commando, with 12 movement per turn.

Our foils will likely be green or perhaps hardened with only four movements per turn.

Plus, our needlejets will be at far smaller risk (immune at this time and for the near future) to their ships.

We need a few ships/foils to take the sea bases, but we should emphasize airpower.

Airpower is far more versitle (can hit land and sea targets), mobile, and surviveable than seapower.

Let's play to our strengths (airpower) not their's (seapower).

Let's get an airforce, and quickly.


Mead