PEACE is trouble - should we help? ###Opinion check###

[Kody]

Hey, if instead of competing we merge the two factions by allowing one to take over the other, then wouldn't that effectively allow both of us access to the SPs that we build?

I'm about to get shot for suggesting that, aren't I?

Nope you're not. I seriously considered it. However, there are two reasons for not doing that.

Firstly, the hive and drones have different strengths. That means our two seperate factions can play on their seperate strengths and will be stronger for it. Also we won't be able to do many of the tech cost reductions we've been using recently.

Secondly, we'll have to organise the whole issue of who's in charge of the turns. That would be a very big headache.

So we can take:
Cloudbase, PEG, Ascetic, Vats, Refinery.
They can take:
All the other stuff

I would agree with that completely. However, someone needs to market it to the drones. Also I'm not 100% sure we can get PEG.

[Jamski]

We can ask the Drones to call the Planetary Council into session (RP of course) where the other factions can discuss what to do about the PEACE-CyCon War. From an RP perspective we have every right to involve ourselves under the UN charger which is still in effect

Its worth a try - but I think the CyCon are out for blood.

-Jam

[Snowflake]

I agree that the Planetary Council is a great idea. If it is decided that the war should be stopped, it will give us a good reason if we need to break away from the CC pact. (As it is now, I don't see a need to break the CC pact yet.)

I am a little unclear what we are discussing. My understanding is that we are suggesting the PEACE surender to us, but they stay as a separate faction. And we can put press on CC to stop the war since the PEACE is now under our wings. However PEACE will not be a member of the final winners.

It seemed to me that some people were suggesting a little different things, like we would be actually merging as one team? Or that we would be going into PEACE forums, etc. My understanding is that they would still be a individual team. And still carries their own votes in planetary councils and such. Just that we are the protectors and they swear their loyalty to us.

I still think that this may not even be a possibility for us. The PEACE are role played as a bunch hot blood captains, if I were a member of them I may not consider surrending an option. So before we discuss this any further, I really think we need to contact the PEACE first.

If surrendering is not an option, then I think we have to choose whether we want to assist the PEACE still. There are several levels of assistant in this sense.

One, tech trade. As long as it is a fair trade, I don't see the we have violated the Hive's integrity of being neutral in this war of two of our pactmates. We may actually want to let the CC know any finalized trade to show them we are only after gain for ourselves and have not been doing anything behind their back. We will also trade with CCs according to the same principle.

Two, if we can get the Planetary Council to vote for a stop of the war, then we can actually assist the PEACE more without our integrity being violated. For the UN charter has a higher priorty than the pact agreement between any two factions.

All the above discussions, is based upon my belief of the Hive's own interest, not based upon an accessment whether we are closer to either of the two factions. As far as I'm concerned, we want to be friendly to both of them but so far no factor has tilted my balance in favor of any one. In other words, I have changed my pro-CC stance to a neutral stance, and do not seek to include CC in a three way joint victory any more.

[Mead]

Originally posted by HongHu

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All the above discussions, is based upon my belief of the Hive's own interest, not based upon an accessment whether we are closer to either of the two factions. As far as I'm concerned, we want to be friendly to both of them but so far no factor has tilted my balance in favor of any one. In other words, I have changed my pro-CC stance to a neutral stance, and do not seek to include CC in a three way joint victory any more.

I am concerned about the future of the two warring factions only to the extent it affects the Hive's own interests.

I am all for Tech Trading, to our benefit, with both of the warring parties.

The one thing we should try to avoid is a world where CyCon eliminates Peace and takes over all of their bases, becoming the biggest faction. Successful aggressive military expansion will only increase their appetite for more wars of conquest. If CyCon wins the war and takes all of Peace, the Drones and us will have to rely upon each other to better survive.



Mead

[Enigma_Nova]

CyCon's next stopover will surely be Miriam.

But, with Hive getting Angels and Drones getting PUT, my bet is that we'll more than hold our own.
Plus we can simply ring up miriam and say "How's it going? Look, here's 3 armor and missles. Go nuts."
Because as we know Mim was p!ssed at the CyCon, and giving her some attack capacity can stall them for a while.

We might upgrade our southern boat to a missile / plasma boat and turn it over to the PEACE to keep them afloat for a while.
Heck once CyCon get synth fuels we can probably have the Drones send them synth fuels.

If we can prolong this war until our conquest of the Uni and Roze is done, then we'll have a pot shot at mim before the CyCon can get to her. Or a pot shot at the CyCon themselves.

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from PEACE we want a cruiser prototype and Adaptive doctrine.
We also want a distraction for the CyCon, so we can go to war on our own.

We should upgrade our lower ship to plasma, and send this to the PEACE. We might also ask the Drones to send them Synth Fuels right after the CyCon research it.

I think we should try to get miriam to attack the CyCon, just to push them a little further. But it seems she will only be bought off by 300 ECs... a hefty price to pay.
(On a side note someone payed her to attack the Drones!)

The Idea is, we tie up the CyCon for as long as possible.

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We also want the ever-useful Adaptive Economics. However, we can't trade tech we don't have!
We'd need to trade serious military tech - but guess what that's Drone business.

We might be able to trade infrastructure tech to the CyCon, offering Eco Eng AND Env Eco might just tip the balance in our favour...

We could explain that we want Adaptive Econ, because we want Planetary Econ, and The Ascetic Virtues.
They'd be less defensive about their precious PEG this way (and hey it's a plausable request seeing how close we are to MMI, we'd have something else to research).

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Tie up CyCon and Drones. Might want to buy Adaptive from CyCon, with the Planetary Econ sham, or grovel it from the PEACE with our wimpy infrastructure tech.
It would be nice if we could do a 'round robin' trade with the drones:
Tell the PEACE we're giving the Drones something nice (unnamed), in exchange for the Drones sending them HEC (and later Synth fuels).
We want the PEACE to send us Adaptive Econ in return.

This sounds hella shifty, but we get Neural soon. It's believable that this is part of our round robin trade.

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So I've typed out my policy again.

TASKS TO DO:
1. Find out Uni's Relations with PEACE and CyCon
2. Ask CyCon about EnvEco/EcoEng for Adaptive Econ (claim it's to research Planetary Econ).
3. Ask PEACE if they'll take our infrastructure techs for Adaptive
4. If not, tell them about our 'round robin' trade. They will get Plasma from the Drones and they pay us adaptive.
We ask the drones to send them Plasma to keep them alive, gratis. (What a nice deceptive tactic!)
5. We need 300 ECs to buy mim off for an attack on the CyCon, which is probably not worth it, but is an idea nonetheless.
6. We attack and conquer the PUT
7. We attack and conquer the Angels
8. We see if PEACE are interested in being submissive. (Long shot)

These can be completed in any order. Might I ask people to refrain from chatting about the deceptions to the Drones and the CyCon? They could turn out in our favor.