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**Snowflake** · January 7, 2004, 11:34

Thanks for the summary Comrade Kody. I have not looked at the save yet, just a couple questions based on the summary:

We're going to stockpile about 75% of our total production next turn so we'll have some extra money to spend when we decide to start the last two boom bases.

What does this mean? Are we not going to produce anything in 3/4 of our bases? Or are you talking about the stockpile bug?

New Moscow: Why move the crawler from +4 min to a forest square? Is it going to crawl in +2 min or something else?

Oh one question for my own learning. When you pop a pod and it gives you free mins to finish a production, does it always do it in the base where the foil belongs? Or is it random?

One general comment: I think we should continue the practice of posting the save before end turn. And the save should be posted in the forum for some time before we post it in the public forum if we have time within the 48 hours. This way it will give people a chance to review it and changes can still be made in some cases.

**Enigma_Nova** · January 7, 2004, 12:29

What? I've been asleep for the past 18 hours. I haven't started the damn turn yet.
Let me fire up the SMAX engines and see what I can do...

**Snowflake** · January 7, 2004, 12:30

Wow 18 hours huh? I wish I have a clock like yours.

**Enigma_Nova** · January 7, 2004, 14:09

Okay... I'll ignore everything in this thread and go about seeing the details of my parallel turn.
I perform too damn many reloads while I see what is possible and what isn't. I'm quite new to a no-save game like this, and it will be my main problem as a turn player.

RELOAD COUNT: 5
1: Decided not to accept Environ Econ
2: Tested to see whether probe would be transferred
3: Stupid accidental space bar strike
4: Didn't notice a crawler belonged to a different base
5: Former mishap

Opening up my testing editor, seeing whether transferring foil with probe team on board will also transfer probe team.
It is a success! The Cargo is transferred along with the ship

Probe team to freedman's park, foil to freedman's park.
Probe boarded foil (pressed L)
Foil moved one square south
Turned foil over to the drones. (With probe team on board)
Presuming their Unity foil is somewhere in range, they can daisy-chain the transports.
Probe SoftHB, send to us, we get Neural and start the MMI dash

Artillery fire, our ship attacks Angels ship.
It is a success! one Angels ship is destroyed.
Our own ship is only 40% Damaged.

Pushed a probe ship closer to the Angels

Minerals bonus for Jamski Prison! Creche completed next turn!
(Opted for a creche and not a node because Creches are more inherently useful)

Saving in case I make any more stuffups.

We want booms, we want tech, we want crawlers.
Ultimately we want MMI first, then Cloudbase.
Labs 60% for a little extra tech

Roko crawler moved to energy hotspot
Moving minerals to Roko (dammit Kody we need that Hospital STAT), Crawlers recentralising at Roko. Most probable location to build the Cloudbase.
Hmmm... Roko has an Ecodamage of 10. 31 Minerals.

(Don't ask me about my super fantastic crawler ninja style)
I'll rush the hospital, and get 15 ECs from the stockpile bug -IN THAT BASE ALONE-.

Moving crawler from a min mine (vevtopia) to 2 nuts nearby.
Now Vevtopia has enough food to keep booming
Moved a rokossovky food crawler to crawl those mins.
22.28 has no crawler on it.
Michanapolis is size 6, and will grow next turn.

RELOAD, didn't notice central planning crawler, which can be used most productively.
RELOAD clicked on a former cancelled accumulated terraforming

Posting this now, turn is 20% done

**Enigma_Nova** · January 7, 2004, 14:41

Moved some units, producing a whole lot of crawlers.

Turn done light is activated, but I still want to shuffle some crawlers around, and reactivate formers.

Turn is 60% Complete.

**Enigma_Nova** · January 7, 2004, 14:58

Some time later, Turn Complete!
I made a mistake in one of our bases, so had to move a scout patrol from elsewhere. Not such a big deal but it hurt a little.

Now I'm ready to read the reports above, and see what I missed.
(PLEASE tell me I won't have to shuffle crawlers to the Hospital for a 3rd time)

**Snowflake** · January 7, 2004, 15:14

The biggest (and perhaps only) problem I see, is the reload. You are not allowed even one reload. If you made a mistake, whether it is because of an oversight, or it is because of a misclick of the mouse, you have to live with it. (Remember that's what happened with the turn I did?) You cannot be our main turn player until you are able to finish your turn without reloading.

**Enigma_Nova** · January 7, 2004, 15:17

Yeah, I know. It is the greatest error.

**Snowflake** · January 7, 2004, 15:18

One question, what is the effeciency loss by setting lab to 60%? And how much does it speed up our tech rate?

My understanding is we are currently researching env eco and we may not want it to be completed before we can get both env eco and SotHB from Drones or probing so that we could switch to Neural grafting.

**Kody** · January 7, 2004, 19:01

What does this mean? Are we not going to produce anything in 3/4 of our bases? Or are you talking about the stockpile bug?

Due to productions being completed that amount of our production also goes into stockpile.

New Moscow: Why move the crawler from +4 min to a forest square? Is it going to crawl in +2 min or something else?

Because of the 10 mineral carry over. It it crawls the +4 min, then 2 minerals are lost as the crawler will completely fill the minerals till completion and you'll have 12 minerals per turn.

Oh one question for my own learning. When you pop a pod and it gives you free mins to finish a production, does it always do it in the base where the foil belongs? Or is it random?

It happens at the nearest base.

One general comment: I think we should continue the practice of posting the save before end turn. And the save should be posted in the forum for some time before we post it in the public forum if we have time within the 48 hours. This way it will give people a chance to review it and changes can still be made in some cases.

Where do I attach the file. Apolyton doesn't let me delete my uploads anymore.

**Kody** · January 7, 2004, 19:22

Opted for a creche and not a node because Creches are more inherently useful

Actually I would agree it would be useful at any base other than Jamski Prison. Jamski Prison will be getting it's 2nd super drone soon and hence it won't be very useful to boom it. Rather a research hospital or a most expensive crawler would have been better.

Moving minerals to Roko (dammit Kody we need that Hospital STAT), Crawlers recentralising at Roko.

I did the same thing, so I'm not complaining.

Most probable location to build the Cloudbase.

Most probable location for cloudbase is either Vanderburg or Voltriograd. I'll probably choose vanderburg to spread our SPs out between bases in case we get PBed later.

The reason why Rokossovkygrad isn't good is because many of the crawlers around Rokossovkygrad happen to be on mines, condensors or solar panels. Also there aren't nearly enough forests near Rokossovkygrad for crawlers to wait on before a SP rush. You would perfer to pull crawlers off forests than mines condensors and solar panels.

Vanderburg and Voltariograd happen to be around several bases that build crawlers fast and have more forests that are being crawled. So it'll be easier building and getting crawlers to those bases. This is stuff I learnt from the Hive SP rushes back in the 30's.

One question, what is the effeciency loss by setting lab to 60%? And how much does it speed up our tech rate?

My understanding is we are currently researching env eco and we may not want it to be completed before we can get both env eco and SotHB from Drones or probing so that we could switch to Neural grafting.

He shouldn't have set lab to 60%. Since we mainly use specialists 60% lab setting hinders rather than helps. With the turn I completed out of curiousity (before I reduced tech rate to prevent the tech finishing next turn) I changed to 60% lab and found that I lost more labs than I gained.

Looking at Enigma's turn all he needed to do is set extra some extra librarians and crawled some extra food to vevtopia if he wanted to increase labs.

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Final note, while I know Engima has reloaded etc, so does the new pirate player, so a new hive player should be allowed to reload if he makes any major mistakes that don't break the rules of the game?

Looking at his turn there are mistakes. However, there aren't any critically dumb mistakes, so I would support enigma to play the next hive turn. Depending on his performance with the turn next turn people can decide whether they want enigma to continue playing turns or go back into training.

How does that sound to people?

**Kody** · January 7, 2004, 20:42

Why the Rokossovkygrad research hospital was a big mistake

The reason I called the research hospital in rokossovkygrad a mistake was because it only gives us about 11 labs and costs us 3 ecs per turn. Later the amount of labs the research hospital produces will decrease.

It's a case of someone thinking, oh rokossovkygrad is our highest researching base so lets build a research hospital. They didn't realise building it delays our population growth, and base placement by 2 turns.

If the research hospital wasn't built the resources spent building it could have started the pop booming in utopia base and great clustering this turn. After they finish booming they'll give us an extra 30 labs a piece. Much better than 11labs.

Furthermore, the having utopia base and great clustering finish their booms means that we can start expanding again until we bump to the 2nd b-drone limit + 2. So the research hospital has also delayed the next 5 bases that were going to be built.

Finally if you wait another 2 or 3 turns voltariograd will need the research hospital. Quite simply the mountain near kommuniza city will be converted into an energy park and all that energy (plus the energy currently being used by rokossovkygrad) will instead go to voltariograd as it's our captial and doesn't suffer energy loss like rokossovkygrad does.

Rokossovkygrad's lab output will be reduced as a result and the research hospital there won't be as useful.

However, since we were so far into building it's better to complete it now than redirecting.

**Enigma_Nova** · January 7, 2004, 20:56

I'd have started pumping crawlers, formers or pods myself. I know a research hospital in science city A isn't as good as having science city B pop up.

I'd opt for PTS booming and large land raising once we get that 2nd b-limit. If the game lasts until we get the vats, we'll be so far ahead that no-one will stop us!

>_< should have thought about designing el expensivo crawler... my bad...
As for crawling food to vevtopia? I thought about that but couldn't see any food close by.

I'm a little shocked as I got a minerals bonus the first time I popped the pod, made a critical error that opted a reload, and got a minerals bonus the second time. ^_^

**Enigma_Nova** · January 7, 2004, 20:57

Mark my words, Kody. I will gain strength, I will rise up, and I WILL SURPASS YOU!

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