CyCon Ultimatum

[Nubclear]

If CyCon did indeed threaten the Hive....it is most interesting

[Jamski]

They say the Hive has no chance against the "most advanced millitary on Chiron" or something (too lazy to look up the exact quote)

-Jam

[Nubclear]

[Jamski]

How the hell could the Hive succesfully attack us? We have the most advanced army of all human factions on Chiron.
Also, normally PEACE should no longer exist in 15 years.

There you are, word for word as he said it

-Jam

[Frankychan]

That IS priceless!


One high-tech unit does not an army make. (little sarcasm there).

I agree with Comrade Octavian in that we should somehow broker a deal with them, supplying materiel and low cost units to give our support of the war. However, I'm really suspicious about this and would rather have us wait until aggressive action takes place on either side. As I said previously, a faction can declare Vendetta but not do anything. This could very well be a trap to bog down our units and our economy while something bigger happens.

Nevertheless, while the Drones ARE our pactmates, they ARE human and if they decide to change the deal of the pact...we might find ourselves staring down the barrel of a Drone gun.

[Mead]

Voltaire Posted in ***CyCon-Pirate War Intervention***


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Word from CyCon on the issue:
quote:The CyCon has said nothing of the sort. We have specifically said we do not expect you to join in the war against PEACE. I must ask who the source was?- Drogue


I'm inclined to believe them given the fact that I do not consider the CyCon stupid enough to try and pull off a stunt like that. The only question which remains now is who was the saboteur?

I think someone has a lot of explaining to do.

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It now looks like CyCon says it does not want to drag us into this war after all.

The proposals I posted here earlier still remain valid. Jamski has already posted some good input but we need to further discuss the below:

1. Figure out just what the CyCon, the Pirates, the Uni, and the Drones can offer us.

2. Figure out what we can offer in return.

3. Figure out what we want and are willing to give.

4. Consider what we think the other factions will be willing to give up.

Hong Hu appears to have a real good feel for the above with Hong Hu?s Covert Action reports. Hong Hu can you do that?

5. Contact the Drones and see what they want to do. Who's our ambassador to the Drones? Hong Hu? Can you do that?

6. Contact the Uni and see what they are willing to give us for supporting the Pirates (or see what they will offer us for supporting CyCon, or staying neutral). Octavian can you are still our ambassador to Uni? Can you do that?

7. Contact the Pirates and see what they offer. Voltaire, you?re the ambassador? Can you do that?

8. Contact the CyCon, explain to them that they should be offering not only a stick (the threatened Vendetta), but also a carrot (some nice techs and EC's + whatever else we want to ask for) if they want us to get involved in an expensive war that will make them stronger. Hong Hu you are that ambassador? Can you do that?

9. Report back in this thread as to the results of the above and we should debate how we proceed.

10. Make a decision and stick with it.



Whatever the results of the above, as Voltaire noted above, someone (I believe it is the CyCon's) have a lot of explaining to do. Their threatened Vendetta (authorized or not) have caused us a great deal of grief and expended effort. Their apology should be accompanied by some sort of nice gift for us to forgive them.

I would expect them to offer some sort of gift in any event, as the price for not siding with the Pirates (and countering the Pirates and Uni offers). The CyCon's recent actions should cause them to consider offering us a nicer gift.



Mead

[Vev]

I'm loving all these intrigue even though I am soo out of the loop. I wonder if this is a reflection of any real-life situation?

[Octavian X]

I don't know, but I want to get to the bottom of this. Who is this 'unnamed CyCon official?' It's now rather obvious there's a rat somewhere.

[Enigma_Nova]

My stance:
Get milatary units to help with PEACE
When the war is over, demand the CyCon fork over stuff.
When they don't go to war and own them.

[Nubclear]

You mean "pwn"?

[Jamski]

Word from CyCon on the issue:
quote:The CyCon has said nothing of the sort. We have specifically said we do not expect you to join in the war against PEACE. I must ask who the source was?- Drogue


I'm inclined to believe them given the fact that I do not consider the CyCon stupid enough to try and pull off a stunt like that. The only question which remains now is who was the saboteur?

I think someone has a lot of explaining to do.

I don't know, but I want to get to the bottom of this. Who is this 'unnamed CyCon official?' It's now rather obvious there's a rat somewhere.

Well, probably its not Drogue, as he is asking who it was. However this would be classic denial trick. Of course PMs are called PMs for a reason.

-Jam

[Snowflake]

Sorry I didn't have time to contribute more input earlier. Now I will attempt to write out my understanding of the situation, see if it will help anybody.

As the Hive's CC ambassador, I have discussed with Function Drogue and Maniac regarding their upcoming PEACE war and the Hive-CC relationship in a talk recently. I have restated the Hive's position. I told the CC that the Hive is very willing to further the Hive CC relationship, with the cavert that CC must understand that at this time there are not enough support for us to go into a joint victory report with the CC. The CC informed me that by this turn (2150) the CC is ready to accept the Hive's pact offer. Also the CC will start its PEACE war that it has been planning for some time.

We have also talked about this following detail. Since the Hive is currently pacted with the PEACE, after the CC declares vendetta against the PEACE, the computer will automatically change the Hive CC relationship to vendetta. It was agreed that the CC will immediately offer a pact back to us. And I have agreed that the Hive will accept it.

In that talk as well as other previous communications through the Embassy, the CC understood and accepted the Hive's stance toward the PEACE: that we are not prepared to go into war with the PEACE at this moment, because we would like to keep our integrity of the pact, and also because we don't have any military force to spare. We have discussed in the case if the university will declare vendetta against CC, we may want to offer our spiritual help to the CC by declaring vendetta against the university, but again we have made sure that the CC understands that due to our limited military ability, this would mainly be a gesture, instead of an actual war.

Based on the above information, I have seriously conservation about the aforementioned "CyCon Ultimatum". It appeared to be a drastic departure from the CC's stance toward us, so drastic that I doubt its truthfulness. I am not accusing Comrade Jamski was lying here. Rather, I believe in the spirit of helping the CC Hive relationship, Comrade Jamski had taken initiatives to contact the CC. However because he had not been involved in the game and was not very clear about the current situation, there might be some misunderstanding and thus led to this PM perhaps from one CC function.

Since now it has been officially denied by the CyCons, I believe we should not taken this as the CC's official stance.

[Jamski]

To add to what HongHu said, I got a PM today from xxxx, which said I should not have told anyone about his/her PMs, especially with Tass's witch-hunt thread in action.

Since now it has been officially denied by the CyCons, I believe we should not taken this as the CC's official stance.

I agree, although there is still the possibilty that this could be thier unofficial stance...

-Jam

[GeoModder]

Man, this was really from someone...

[Kody]

We are not officially perma-pacted with the CyCon

Frankychan, believing we're in an unofficial perma-pact.

Told ya, the 'balancing act' wouldn't last long.

Octavian X, believing we're trying to do a balancing act with the Cycon to play cycon off against the peace.

I just noticed the above.
See one person thinks we're in unofficial perma-pact and another thinks we're trying to play cycon off against the peace. Proof on the greatness of Hive diplomancy.