CyCon v. PEACE

[Vander]

Maybe I haven't paid enough attaintion, but what is our stance on the CyCon- PEACE war?

(If it's in the CGN forums, I haven't seen it. I'm not authorized.)

[Enigma_Nova]

Neutral unless Cycon starts losing.

I also lack authorisation for those CivGaming forums.
Somebody set up us the post!

[Octavian X]

Since we have relatively good relations with both at the moment, we'd best just keep a neutral course.

[Mead]

Re: CyCon v. PEACE

Originally posted by Vander
Maybe I haven't paid enough attaintion, but what is our stance on the CyCon- PEACE war?

(If it's in the CGN forums, I haven't seen it. I'm not authorized.)

Imbidiung In the Xmas cher I have yet to serioulsy consider it. (though know I should think of how we can profit it (did I join the Hive favtipon mistakin it was the Morgan one?)

I am not one of the heavy lifters (Kody help me out) in this (faction/forum/thing), but I think we consider what we can gain from ethier abstaining our allgnhing ourselves with one of the factions involved.


Blast this Scottish bevarge that bedivils me, but I think we need to figure our our reponse to to this war betwenn the Pirates and somebody (who is that who want so to fight them (if it's the Drones I juist say stuff them (the Drones)). If not then let's see.

Mead

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Yeah, he's slightlyu undr the influence of an Briuttish plot (beverage of northern UK distillment), but his observations of hpw we should view the new war for Hive betterment shoud be considered.
Please help me out.

When I regain the legal abilty to drive , and operate hevary machiney, I may be better able to decfe where we should stand in this war/dispute/thing.



Mead


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Hopefulluy I can edit this away later when I am not under that influence of that Northern UK bevarge. Othjerwise, let me into Jamislky's priason cell to sleep it off.


Mead

[Kody]

Hopefulluy I can edit this away later when I am not under that influence of that Northern UK bevarge. Othjerwise, let me into Jamislky's priason cell to sleep it off.

Okay I'll wait until after you're sober to reply to your message.

[Snowflake]

Well while we are emotionally closer to the CCs we are still a pactmate of the PEACE. So I believe the best way for us is as Enigma said, stay neutral. We will perhaps need more discussion if either PEACE or CC has any request of help from us. We have already indicated to CC that we will not be able to help with their war at this moment.

[Mead]

Originally posted by Kody


Okay I'll wait until after you're sober to reply to your message.

[Mead sheepishly reenters the room, hoping he didn't behave too badly, and wondering how much does everyone remember of what he said and did.]


So CC wants to fight the Pirates. Who do we want to win?

Like others have said, I think we should officially remain neutral (usually I like to avoid a war because of the waste of resources and disruption of building).

But, we should consider the effects of a diminished/eliminated Pirate faction and stronger CC if the CC wins (or vice versa).

As noted earlier, emotionally we are closer to the CC and them Pirates do seem to be more difficult to deal with, but we are better off with both factions still in the game.

I do not know who will win but based upon:

1. CC chose to start the war;
2. My sense of the general opinion expressed in the forums;
3. My review of just how weak the Pirates are militarily; (but most of the Pirate bases are still sea bases, how powerful is the CC navy?)

that CC will win the war and, if the war is not too long or hard, be a much stronger faction afterwards. It would be nice to see exactly how strong the CC is and will be if it wins.

Best outcome for us would be for CC and Pirates to fight a long drawn out war that both survive, allowing us to grow and profit.


Mead


[Mead hopes he has learned his lesson and vows to stick to xerorum... for at least the next few days. Mead hopes he didn't cause any production disruption of Hive construction by a diversion of police units from the drones to deal with his ... um ... celebration.]

[Enigma_Nova]

Naw, our missilechops will own the CyCon.
Plus we'll probably be stomping Roze and the PUT anyway, thus gaining our own fair share of territory and all.

Unless we get a Cycon-Drones alliance to threaten us we're pretty safe.

As for the strength of the CyCon navy? They have Init and the Maritime Control Centre. Their navy is doing alright.

[Jamski]

I think we should help the CyCon if they are losing and help the Pirates if they are losing. The longer the war goes on, the better for us. If they are building units instead of facs and bases and crawlers, then they'll only get behind. If one looks like winning then we must act against them. A single faction controlling the bases and territiory of the two factions will be quite dangerous.

-Jam

[Voltaire]

I find myself in agreement with Jamski in principle, we cannot let either side eliminate the other for fear that they may become too powerful (yah right), regardless we need to strike a balance and keep them fighting for as long as possible. But the support we give cannot be direct; we need to keep ourselves out of this conflict.

[Jamski]

As I see it there are a number of options :

Do nothing with the result :
a) The war is just a short flash, nothing changes
b) One side wins some territiory at the cost of the other, small change in balance of power, no real worries.
c) One side is completly eliminated by the other, leaving the winners as one of the largest factions of Planet, with a large, trained and (probably) naval-transportable army, sitting around. DANGER!

Help the winning side with the results :
a) The war is over quickly, as the losing side surrenders. We and our allies make small gains.
b) The war takes some time, but we and our allies divide the losing faction and we increase our powerbase significantly, as do they, at the cost of ust raising an army and fleet.
c) We throw away our troops for no gain, while our "allies" take advantage of the distraction we caused.

We help the losing side with the results :
a) We prolong the war indefinitly, maintaining the status quo with little cost to us.
b) We drag Planet into a world war, as the Uni (for example) joins the opposing side in the name of balance. The Drones run away with the game.
c) Our intervention comes too late, and we have to deal with the winning side alone, who are mad with us.

Those are the most likely outcomes of our involvement or not in this war. Consider that the whole encounter will be naval based, and that we could take advantage of the pirates being absent to snap up a base or two for ourselves, without a formal alliance with the CyCon.

Consider also the price we could charge, either to help a faction, or as a bribe NOT to help the OTHER faction. Yummy techs, ecs and stuff

-Jam

[Snowflake]

How about this other possibility. CC overpowers the PEACE. We strike a deal with PEACE that they surrender the rest of their bases to us and we let them control the bases with a promise we will help them with the war with our full force. This is depending on we build up a strong military force during the CC-PEACE war, based on military techs that are supplied from the Drones. We will negotiate with CC to stop the war for PEACE had already surrendered to the Hive. If CC do not stop then we have reason to go against them and still keep our integrity. That again means we need to have our own strong military force first.

Most importantly, that means we have to speed up our research so that we (Hive and Drones) can get to Air Power and MMI quickly.

Also I see potential profit in dealing with CC before this all happens. If we can get the impact cruiser from them as they've agreed we may be better off for a sea-going war.

[Jamski]

This is a daft suggestion. We SHOULD rush to the aid of the CyCon and try and grab as many of the Pirate bases as possible, which will give us a nice network of sea bases for our airstrikes vs the Uni in the future, as well as the tech the CyCon will give us (Impact Crusiers Yummy) We want to see the Pirates DEAD, and we should try and make sure that we get as many of their bases as we can. This means millitary action.

-Jam

[Jamski]

I just made a simple poll on this issue. Everyone should try and vote.

-Jam

[Kody]

Impact is already legacy hardware, and crusiers will be legacy too in another 4 turns. From the looks of things we'll finally get the prototypes in another 10 turns assuming our relations with the cycon go well which apparently it won't due to some recent incident that I haven't looked into much yet. In 10 turns time we might have missle choppers and drop troops.

Pirate bases are too far away for an chopper to travel in one turn and the travel time is longer in that direction to the university.

Earlier I wanted to see the pirates reduce in power because they were one of the most powerful factions and a threat to us. From the sounds of the commentary on the public forum that will change.

The main problem with invading the pirates is travel time. To take over bases we either need weapons+curiser or weapons+marine. Getting the unit prototypes to us will take 4 turns at least if the cycon agrees to divert part of their attacking force to us immediately. Then another 2 turns to build the army assuming we really sit down and plan the production the way I planned those earlier SPs. Then another 4-5 turns to get to the pirate bases.

If we wanted to mobilise to help the cycon with the invasion we should have started the preparations about 10 turns ago to be in a position that we would be able to significantly help.

Jamski can you answer one question? Why do you want to permi-pact with the cycon, and why don't you want to permi-pact with the drones?

Is it because you feel that the hive will end up submissive to the drones. Whereas the cycon are weaker and hence the hive will be the leading faction in a cycon-hive pact?