CyCon v. PEACE

[Voltaire]

The question of permipacting with the CyCon and not with the Drones seems absurd, if we betray the Drones it would not be a permipact and hence how are we to be trusted again by another faction? Regardless, we will not betray the Drones, for the last time, get that throught your heads.

[Jamski]

Then the Drones have already got YOU under control, dear Chairman. What did they offer you? A nice safe government post?

Our aim - to win.
Biggest enemy faction - the Drones
Question - do we attack them before they attack us?

Our best route to victory is a surpise attack conquering most of the Drones bases, while thier army is involved with a war elsewhere. It's standard SMAC stratagy to want to eliminate enemies close to home, and make friends far away.

The CyCon would be both very grateful, and take it very seriously as a sign of our commitment, if we were to break pact with the Drones for thier sake.

-Jam

[Kody]

I'm not going to take you seriously Jamski.

You know the reason why? Because you talk about breaking pact with the drones and then permi-pacting with the cycon. After we've conquored enough of the world, you'll want to break pact with the cycon and then have the hive as sole victor.

If you're going to actually talk seriously, say it as it is. You actually want the hive to be sole victor and you want to use the cycon then discard them later.

[Jamski]

No, actually the CyCon is the only faction I feel we can trust not to stab us in the back and actually stick it through to a joint victory. Before the game started we dicussed this with the CyCon. Before the game started we also decided the Drones were Public Enemy #1.

Really Kody, we CAN'T sit and wait for the Drones to roll over and crush us.

-Jam

[Snowflake]

My personal feeling is that the Drones had taken serious considerations before they accept our perm pact proposal. I do not believe they are planning to backstab us. If it is the CCs I might believe it.

[Enigma_Nova]

If the drones -are- going to backstab us, it will be right after they get Synth Fuels or Air power.

Simply put, we send our techs, they steal some from the Uni, and they've got Missile rovers / Plasma when we've got Laser rovers / Synth.
Then they will research Air Power.
Essentially they've got a very small window in which to invade and own us.

I'd send a request to the drones for Missile / Plasma units. If they don't cough up, Probe em for all they're worth, build our own army and grind em into the dust.

I trust the Drones, though.
That's not to say I can't be wrong...

[Jamski]

The Drones are lead by Buster. He has been known to either stay true, or stab everyone to death in PBEM games. However, the Drones ARE a democracy. They could vote to destroy us, and then whatever Buster thinks is wurst.

I expect the Drones to go for the attack with missile noodles or with chaos choppers. And they will own us in perhaps 2 turns.

-Jam

[Enigma_Nova]

CyCon v. Peace
We have reached an ultimatum

As of last turn, The CyCon have declared vedetta upon us, and have offered a pact in trade.
We're in this one way or another now guys.
Apparently the CyCon either wants us to help... or declares war!

[Snowflake]

As I said in another thread, the AI declared vendatta for us so it is not CC wants war with us. I'm adding this post here in case anybody will miss the other post. CC is in no postion of starting wars in two fronts. Don't worry. I believe the CCs want to be in pact with us for as long as it could. It will be to their own benefit.

[Snowflake]

I have trusted the Drones all along. However I have to admit that there exist an opportunity if they are going to backstab us.

They have got the governership. They've used us to get techs. After Drones get all techs and researches MMI, it can be a right time for them to wipe us out.

Drones know that uni is very weak. We had the CC offer of cruiser long ago. We didn't pursue it for buster wanted to wait till MMI. Do we really need MMI for the uni? Or do they need MMI for another faction (*us*)?

Since I have now told the CCs that it is unlikely we will perm pact with the CC if I were them I would start to plan for myself. In other words, I would expect the CC to look somewhere else. If CC decides to pact with uni, with the PEACE war effort they can get the restriction lifting techs, and switch to SFF. Uni's got SotHB and research Neural Grafting. They'll be well on the way to AirPower and MMI. That would mean we perhaps face a a real challenge from the CC uni pact.

Waiting till later to attack uni may or may not be our best choice. I'm now seriously thinking maybe we really need to get the sea going units from the CC.

[Snowflake]

I suppose if the Drones gives us the +3 armor in the next turn or two then my doubt can be put off a little. For my experience is that even if you have +6 attack, to conque a base with +3 armor units are not very easy. Also perhaps we need to ask for the AP tech right away when they gets it. We may not want to wait until they send us a plane for by that time they may already get MMI and we will be facing some risk.

[Jamski]

If the Drones don't give us the armour, them I will get VERY suspicious. They already pipped us to OUR govenor post, now they will withhold tech as well

-Jam

[Kody]

Curisers won't be useful in a war against the drones.

We'll have MMI before being able to get cruiser prototypes. I alway felt we could get iniative after MMI as a tech. Simply because we won't be beelining a strongly.