Prime Function's Office - Turnplay Discussion

[Maniac]

Two stupidities

I've opened the current CyCon turn to have a first look and explore some possible actions to take. First I accepted DAP. In my experience I thought it was only the turn after you acquired the tech you're currently researching, that you're forced to pick a new tech to research. But now the window immediately appeared where I had to choose a new tech to research.

So I had to choose one already. The choices were: Centauri Empathy, Polymorphic Software, Doctrine: Loyalty and Field Modulation. The last two immediately fell away as good possibilities IMHO. That left the choice between CentEmp & PolySoft. PolySoft is a prerequisite for AdvMilAlg, so that's important.
On the other side the Drones are currently researching PolySoft, so I thought we could possibly steal it from them. Also Drogue has said IIRC that he'd like to go Green Economy in the future, and a majority is in favour of aiming partially for psi combat, I assume from the Neural Amplifier poll. That's why I chose for CentEmp.

A second stupidity is the following. On request of Impaler, I wanted to have a look at the mind control costs of Little Accident and Calico Island (351 credits). Therefore I activated the probe defence east of Little Accident to have a look. But I apparently wasn't paying attention well, because I accidently selected "drain energy reserves". :heartattack: Fortunately that still more or less ended well: 8 credits are stolen, and the probe has been safely returned to Henry Morgan's Boat, with a morale upgrade to hardened. However we can no longer use that probe this year.

I wanted to let you know these things. I hope you won't nervestaple me because of these mistakes!

[Illuminatus]

First isn`t a stupidity - it is good. NA here we come (also PolySoft her we come - with probes ). Green is definetly a choice.
The second..... RUN MANIAC RUN!

[GeoModder]

Re: Two stupidities

Actually, for me it's the other way around.

Originally posted by Maniac
But now the window immediately appeared where I had to choose a new tech to research.

I did warn you!!
Personally, I would have preferred PolySoft

Originally posted by Maniac
and the probe has been safely returned to Henry Morgan's Boat, with a morale upgrade to hardened. However we can no longer use that probe this year.

I haven't read any proposals for another line of action (except mind probe perhaps) for that probe, so no harm done in my opinion and the probe is in a position where he can leave immediately. I'm against spending money on mind probing 'till NA is finished anyway.

[Maniac]

Hmm, just realized I made another mistake. I forgot to switch Zetaris production from rec commons to crawler. Switching next year will waste one mineral.
Oh well, at least I've broken my personal record of # mistakes per mission year.

[Maniac]

Just wanted to say: don't wory about the turn being played on time: it will be. There's just a problem with turning over control to the CyCon that missile interceptor in And/Or Gate. I'm discussing it with Googlie. We'll probably have to prototype the needlejet chassis ourselves though. As a consequence, if we want to have that impact needlejet in Logic Loop ready next year, so it can attack the PEACE base on Yardam Island MY 2160 or '61, we'll need to hurry prototype production with that crawler just finished in Logic Loop.

[GeoModder]

Re: PUT MY 2157 turn report

Originally posted by Maniac [*]Missile Interceptor moved to And/Or Gate. Though this should normally work, it's impossible here to transfer unit control to the Consciousness. Looks like CyCon will have to prototype needlejets themselves after all. Anyway, I have asked Googlie if he could check out a theory on what the problem could be.

Um, perhaps full turn (movement) needed to transfer to another faction?

Moved from Turn Reports thread by Drogue

[Maniac]

GeoModder:

Um, perhaps full turn (movement) needed to transfer to another faction?

No, that isn't it. In for example this test game I am able to transfer missile interceptor control, despite it having no movement points left. And Googlie also tested if he could transfer unit control MY 2158, when the interceptor had full movement points, and it didn't work.

[GeoModder]

Ok, some things I noticed on the 2157 pressend save:

Caboolture: I thought there was an agreement for building a former there (pls a fungicidial one)? The production is now crawler, and next turn production can't be changed without mineral loss.

Gold Coast: 2 turns for finishing the Tree Farm there. Less then 40 energy.

Gardens Point: No 'Stockpile Energy' in building queue. Or is that only necessary when you build a military unit?

[Maniac]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Caboolture: I thought there was an agreement for building a former there (pls a fungicidial one)? The production is now crawler, and next turn production can't be changed without mineral loss.

Oh. I didn't know you agreed to a former, as you didn't reply to my last post in the IAF thread. A while after writing that post, I realized that it would be better to wait with building a former there until we have Centauri Empathy. When we have CentEmp (or was it CentMed), we can build roads on fungus without the need to clear the fungus first. This would save us six former turns. Therefore I set production on a crawler (is that ok?), as we don't yet have enough credits in reserve to hurry a research hospital. Hopefully we'll have enough credits in reserve in three years though, to build the hospital quickly.

Gold Coast: 2 turns for finishing the Tree Farm there. Less then 40 energy.

Okay. Though is it ok if I only rush just enough minerals to finish the tree farm, and not hurry an extra ten minerals to roll over to the next project? The Consciousness will need at least 370 credits their turn (330 for crawler upgrading and 40 for switching to FM), and who knows there will be some other production we'd like to hurry, so I though it would be best to keep some cash in reserve.

Gardens Point: No 'Stockpile Energy' in building queue. Or is that only necessary when you build a military unit?

Unless there is something else next in the build queue, after a facility or secret project is produced, production automatically switches to "stockpile energy", so you automatically profit from the bug. After a military unit is produced, production continues on a next unit of that type, so if you want to profit from the stockpile energy bug, you need to put it manually in the build queue.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Maniac
And Googlie also tested if he could transfer unit control MY 2158, when the interceptor had full movement points, and it didn't work.

I've PM'd Maniac the results of the tests, but in a nutshell:

I cna't get change of control for the noodle until another unit has successfully changed contol - then it works

I "gave" MMI to PUT and made a drop unit that I dropped into Cycon base #1 - couldn't change. Same turn I reactivated the unit and dropped into a second base, again, no change - same turn re-activated and dropped into a 3rd base, and this time it took.

And so did the noodle change of control right afterwards.

I don't know why it wouldn't take first time with the noodle, and I can't find a workaround. You may beed to wait for PUT to get MMI and we'll permit the multiple drop this one time to get around the problem. Or else the CyCon needs to prototype the chassis itself

I'm not getting that problem with Drone-Hive noodle exchanges

G.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Maniac
Oh. I didn't know you agreed to a former, as you didn't reply to my last post in the IAF thread. A while after writing that post, I realized that it would be better to wait with building a former there until we have Centauri Empathy. When we have CentEmp (or was it CentMed), we can build roads on fungus without the need to clear the fungus first. This would save us six former turns. Therefore I set production on a crawler (is that ok?), as we don't yet have enough credits in reserve to hurry a research hospital. Hopefully we'll have enough credits in reserve in three years though, to build the hospital quickly.

Must have been one of the messages I lost due to that ridicolous offen re-login I have to do. Is that normal, btw? It happens offen that I post something, work on a respons for another message and, say 10 min. after that first posting I have to log in again when I try to post the second message. Lost a lot of responses already to that feature.

But for that former. It won't be soon that we can build roads in fungus (especially since CC isn't going to research?). So fungicidal formers aren't a bad idea. Or did you plan to upgrade that former on the landbridge near Caboolture?

Originally posted by Maniac
Okay. Though is it ok if I only rush just enough minerals to finish the tree farm, and not hurry an extra ten minerals to roll over to the next project?

Off course, what do you keep me for? A spendthrift?

Originally posted by Maniac
Unless there is something else next in the build queue, after a facility or secret project is produced, production automatically switches to "stockpile energy", so you automatically profit from the bug. After a military unit is produced, production continues on a next unit of that type, so if you want to profit from the stockpile energy bug, you need to put it manually in the build queue.

Ok, it's in the memory bank now for keeps.

[MrWhereItsAt]

What are the Crawler upgrades for, Maniac?

[Maniac]

GeoModder:

Must have been one of the messages I lost due to that ridicolous offen re-login I have to do. Is that normal, btw?

No. It happens to me too once in a while, but very rarely. Perhaps some problem with your firewall or internet connection or so?
Anyway, I've learned to simply temporarily copy my reply in Notepad before I click on "Submit Reply", so I don't lose the text in case something happens.

But for that former. It won't be soon that we can build roads in fungus (especially since CC isn't going to research?).

I guess we'll get CentEmp in some eight years or so. After MMI is finished, PUT won't be able to research Bioeng if my prediction with Minute Mirage's excel file works ok, so CentEmp seems the best choice IMHO. I'll post more about this in the Science Thread later, so we can discuss.

MWIA:

What are the Crawler upgrades for, Maniac?

Building the Neural Amplifier in Boolean Bay. Poll was here and going for it got a majority.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Ah yes, thank you.

I clearly remember voting against that.

[Maniac]

Little announcement: Tomorrow I won't be able to play SMAX until a few hours after the deadline has passed. This means I'll have to finish the CyCon turn this evening, at the latest in some ten hours or so.