Combined diplomatic thread --Direction needed

[Hercules]

And finally this from Honghu

Dear Cap'n Hercules,

I have forwarded your message to Chairman Voltaire and will post your
message to the Hive Forum. The Hive is currently having some internal chaos
due to a recent riot and the ongoing government restruction. However I will
personally ensure that your message gets delivered and discussed.

Comrade HongHu

Hey where is everybody ? have ye all jumped ship.

[Makahlua]

Nah, just palying some Conquests - just hit the modern age about 3/4 an age ahead of the closest AI and just have finish off the middle ages Inca and early industrial age Koreans and I'll own my home continent

Can't decide if I just got a good start or if I need to take a swing at monarch again

[FlameFlash]

I'm finally back from my computer being down... I'm catching up on some of the threads I'm subbed to and then I'll peruse around the threads I'm not to figure out what's going on...

[Hercules]

This by PM fom Honghu.

I personally will not be part of a submissive set up. So I favour a version of the first option and Enigma's suggestion. Can Maki contact Enigma to check how official his offer is?

Otoh it is a bit like that dip ploy: there's this course of action or total world war three or there is our proposal.

Please post views and I will respond as soon as I can.

(I will be back on my own humble computer tomorrow)

Cap'n Hercules





Official Hive Message


Dear Cap’n Hercules,

Seeing that it had not been successful for us to establish contact through MSN channels I decided that I should take another approach. The topic is sensitive but we are running out of time so I feel that waiting will not be beneficial to either of us. Please be assured that we the Hive has the best intentions toward PEACE, our pact brothers. And please forgive us if any of the suggestions below has violated the spirits of the courageous and fearless captains.

It is the consensus in the Hive that we are not happy to see a war between the two pact brothers of the Hive. It will be a great loss to the Hive as well as all people in the planet if any of the factions is denied their rights to



live and develop. The Hive has determined that it will offer help to the PEACE in its hardest time.

What is still a question is how the Hive could do its best to help PEACE while maintaining its integrity. Two basic approaches have been proposed. According to the first approach, the Hive will be able to provide limited help to the PEACE through trading. The PEACE has techs that the Hive desires, such as Adaptive Economics (and perhaps Doc: Initiatives and others). The most needed tech that may help the PEACE we believe are HEC (+3 armor) and Doc: Loyalty (defense perimeter). We do not have HEC however we do have prototyped units with +3 armors. It is proposed that if the PEACE sent us Adap Eco and a cruiser, we could upgrade a foil that is currently rather close to your territory to plasma and transfer it to you with the tech Loyalty. This is normal tech trading that has been observed among all factions and by doing this the Hive considers it has not violated its agreement to the CCs by assisting its enemy faction. Although, it is expected that the CCs is likely to think differently.

Another approach would perhaps enable the Hive to assist the PEACE to the maximum degree. If the PEACE is willing to become a submissive faction to the Hive, the Hive will then be free to adopt all means to stop the CC aggression since now an attack to the PEACE will be an attack to the Hive. We then can apply political pressure to the CyCons to honor the pact agreement and stop the their aggressive effort. We can also ask the other pact brother of us, the Drones, to assist you with military techs. We are also planning to request a ruling from the planetary councils to condemn the war. In other words, we will help you using everything that we have, techs, production abilities, energy credits… This will mean more integrated development of the two factions in the future. However, the PEACE will still be an individual team where you make independent decisions regarding the development of PEACE in your own private forum, with perhaps a Hive ambassador being accepted in your forum.

We the Hive values the captains of the PEACE team as honorable and courageous warriors who will fight to their last drop of blood. We understand that the second proposal would be a hard decision for you to make. However, we feel that it may be the best way for us to give you the fullest assistant. It will give us rights to counter the CyCons while not violating the integrity principles that we have upheld for so long. We would understand if the PEACE feels that it is not ready to enter such an agreement and opts to interact with us on ground of the first suggested approach.

We look forward to hearing from you.

With regards

Comrade HongHu
On behalf of the Human Hive

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[foolish_icarus]

no submission, go for other trades

[FlameFlash]

I agree... the first option for now.

If things look more dire later and we have to submit make part of the submission deal that the Hive get all of our older bases back from the Borg.

[Hercules]

This to Honghu

Greetings dear Comrades of the Hive.

We welcome yer communications

After consultation with the captains council ( much xenorum swilling) we
bees minded to trade Adaptive Economics for Res ( 3) is it? and then SFF
when discovered. Least that's what I understand to be what yer saying,
But we can discuss the detail bewteen now and the next turn I suppose.
Are the Drones on board with the deal or parts of it.?

The Submissive option was ' dirked' by the good captains.

We look forward to more detailed negotiations.

May your Hive children be fertile

Cap'n Hercules

[FlameFlash]

The 'dirking' of the submissive option

[Hercules]

This from Jstisyoda:

for the acdtg... i mentioned lobbying for a thank you to peace for the
votes... my teammates are unresponsive. Sorry.

[FlameFlash]

Oh well...

Just shows how much gratitude one can get from them... will have to remember that for later.

[Makahlua]

Yes, but throwing a dirk in the hive's plans was such -fun-

[FlameFlash]

Can't argue there.

[Hercules]

This to Voltaire by PM and Honghu by email

Greetings to our Comrades in the Hive.

We wondered what be the state of play regarding our earlier soundings
and bird communications and exchange of techs or assistance. If you
don't have HEC or Non Linear we would appreciate Doc: Loyalty, for
defensive purposes.

Also this: We can probe your enemy Roze in 4 turns. We would be looking
to steal either HEC or Non Linear. Either of these I think would be of
interest to you. However Roze also has Biogenetics , which we do not
have ( we had hoped to do without it) and it would be a waste to end up
stealing this tech. Upon success we would forward the stolen tech to
you.

In what ever is the situation please advise.

Cap'n Hercules

[Hercules]

This to Dean Archiac,

Greetings Learned Dean,

We hope all be well with you at the beginning of the new term. I be
responding to your Dip communicatio re possible assistance. What have
you mind , we pirates be open to offers. For your information we intend
to probe Roze for either HEC or Non Linear , techs of which I am sure
you would be interested. It will take us 4/5 turns reaching Roze's
nearest base to us.

Anyways we look forward to hearing from ye soon.

Cap'n Hercules.

PS there was a time when it was thought that a close PUT, Cycon, Pirates
alliance could produce a challenge to the Hive/ Drones. I guess that
opportunity is passed.

[Hercules]

And this to Foreman Buster on the remote chance he retains a modicum of courtesy.

Foreman Buster,

In a lot of the Pbems that I play, when a player votes for a faction for Planetary Governor, there is normally some acknowledgement of that support officially.

Our Captains be wondering why this common courtesy hasn't happened from the Drones, officially.

Yours

Cap'n Hercules