Combined diplomatic thread --Direction needed

[foolish_icarus]

Cap'n Herc, in the interest of securing support from other factions at this crucial time, I would suggest that this is not the opportune moment to bring up allegations against Googlie (which, frankly, I myself feel are unfounded).

[foolish_icarus]

Originally posted by Hercules
Perhaps we need a PR assault.

Yes, but make it in-character, it will work much better.

[Hercules]

I am not bringing up allegations against Googlie.

What I am suggesting is his launch of a thread entitled

Humane Treatment of Prisoners of War

was inappropriate at this time.

[Hercules]

Foolish_ icarus: you should not underestimate the PR skills of the Cycon pair, especially Drogue. This was/is a carefully planned PR exercise. They have been lobbying the Hive and Put since way back.

Fair play. But I do not like a 'prompted' thread such as this, but if that is the way it works then I want to draw peoples attention to it.

[Hercules]

In the meantime could you look at the turn and offer some suggestioins.

[Hercules]

Foolish_ icarus

Yes, but make it in-character, it will work much better.

Fair point. So help rephrase everything.

[foolish_icarus]

Right. I saw how they twisted the last disagreement we had, and the one before that, and have in general been diplomatically devious. Thus the best way to engage them is not directly, because regardless of who is in the right, they are smooth talkers. But IC accounts will be much more difficult to twist. I'll start on some now.

My suggestions can be found in the turn thread.

[Hercules]

Btw this reply from Archaic. ( in an aside I wonder where Archaic'solo effort places the returned Moomin?)

Captain

Flubber has not contacted me at all in the last year.

With regards to the first issue, the PUT will not declare war on the
Cyborgs. We affirm our ethical opposition to senseless war, and will
maintain absolute neutrality in this conflict. We do not consider our pacts
or treaties with either side to be violating this neutrality, as these are
primarily economic agreements.

With regard to the second issue, the agreement you made was made with a
person who, as decided by the current university leadership, was not in a
position to make the agreement. We understand your disappointment, but given
that your faction includes citizens such as Flubber and yourself, we are
sure you will understand our position in this matter.

Chancellor (Formerly Dean) Archaic

----Original Message Follows----
From: "cathal.mullaghan"
Reply-To: cathal.mullaghan@ntlworld.com
To: Archaic
Subject: Re PEACE PUT dip
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:58:37 +0000

Dean Archaic

I wondered has Ambassador Flubber been in contact.

If not, we wish to talk to you on some matters.

1 Re affirmation of our PACT and specifically your asssistance by
asking you to declare vendetta on the Cycon (as the AI version of the
PUT has done).

2 Our disappointment at your reneging on the recent negotiated tech
exchange (though I am glad the tech wasn't passed over so that the Cycon
could steal it.

Cap'n Hercules

[Hercules]

Sorry for double post.

In meantime I have heard from Honghu, who says Voltaire is back and is their Ambassador.

However The Hive haven't yet answered our questions.

[Hercules]

This today from Honghu.



I assume you must have voted for the Drones for we haven't got back in time
to you because of my fault. But if you did vote for us I could certainly
work on a trade deal with you. As for the CC pact I think it is very likely
we will renew it although I suppose I need to set up a poll. With the mixed
sentiment in the Hive I am not sure about anything any more.

[johndmuller]

Originally posted by Hercules
Captain (Hercules)... the agreement you made was made with a person who, as decided by the current university leadership, was not in a position to make the agreement. We understand your disappointment, but given that your faction includes citizens such as Flubber and yourself, we are sure you will understand our position in this matter.
Chancellor (Formerly Dean) Archaic

What exactlly does that mean anyway?

This business of repudiating stuff - because a person or persons is not available / is no longer around / couldn't have done it anyway - is becoming tiresome.

[foolish_icarus]

no **** -- like those damn cybrogs spamming up the "prisoner of war" thread when none of us were even here

[Hercules]

JD Muller

What exactlly does that mean anyway?

This business of repudiating stuff - because a person or persons is not available / is no longer around /
couldn't have done it anyway - is becoming tiresome.

I think it refers to the recent crisis in the PUT camp. Whereby the PUt were about to pack it in for lack of players in the PUT team/ and or difficulty with internal communications. Anyway the wider ACDG community preferred the PUT team to continue, with Archaic playing it as a pbem (ie no team) rather than have it disbanded or absorbed.

As a result he felt free to renege on deals struck by the previous regime, which was General Tacticus (who also resigned from PUT but is now sort of homeless).

As you might have read, I too was pissed off unhappy about this decision.

I put some of his decision down to Cycon propoganda ( guessing)

[Hercules]

Perhaps Chancellor Archaic thought we were to cosy to the Hive. And this too influenced his thinking.

But since he has expressed opposition to senseless war maybe he can be prevailed upon for assistance. I am think ecs here to buy Non Linear, which we could even send him back.

[Hercules]

Happy New year ye Pirate scallywags. I hope we survive and can kick bottoms in 2004.

Oh and Happy New Year ye old Rascal Googlie