Combined diplomatic thread --Direction needed

[Hercules]

This PM from Voltaire. 1 Dec 2003

Greetings form the Human Hive, we would like to inform our longstanding friends and allies that the government of the Hive has retuned to normal, and we would like to resume our diplomatic relations with PEACE. If you have any offer please contact me personally, and I will communicate it back to the Hive on your behalf.

-Chairman Voltaire

Now that the Hive also have all the Comm links they could call Plan Council .

We need to discuss our own strategy on this before we are caught on the hop.

If called now it would between the Hive and Roze.

If we build the PEG within 2/3 turns what effect does that have on the candidate chart. Question is it in our interests to support the Hive ( for a price) or vote for the AI.

Obviously, if after coming to a deal with the PUT re containing the Hive, it wouldn't make sense to then give them our vote.

[FlameFlash]

PEG, from my understanding, has no impact on council votes, it all boils down to total population.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Hercules


Now that the Hive also have all the Comm links they could call Plan Council .

We need to discuss our own strategy on this before we are caught on the hop.

If called now it would between the Hive and Roze.

If we build the PEG within 2/3 turns what effect does that have on the candidate chart. Question is it in our interests to support the Hive ( for a price) or vote for the AI.

Obviously, if after coming to a deal with the PUT re containing the Hive, it wouldn't make sense to then give them our vote.

I got the same message and was ready topm actually do something again since someone is actually talking to me. . .


If a Hive victory is inevitable, you vote for them in the interest of good relations. If we are the sweing vote, MHO is you always vote for the AI, unless the human offers you a deal that is just good to refuse.

The PUT would understand if the deal were sweet enough -- in fact if you want to be a strong bloc, you can set up a voting strategy whereby we and the PUT agree to vote together and essentially say to the HIVE " what will you give us"--- I want to avoid situations where either us or the PUT could win it for the HIve and they pay off whomever takes the lower offer--

I also think our bargaining position may be strengthened if we vote later in the order ( depending on who calls the election) if its close but weakened to nothing if the election is a foregone conclusion before we even get to vote .

Until the AI or the Hive have all the commlinks , I don't see anyone else calling the election.

[Hercules]

Hi me Pairate maties, I received this from Gen Tacticus (PUT) via PM. I presume Ambassador Flubber may have got it also.

Greetings from the University to our seafaring pactmates. I am unsure as to whether what I am proposing is a new deal or not (checking would take forever), but, owing to present diplomatic circumstances, I have been
authorised to offer a tech trade of Ecological Engeering (from us) for Applied PHysics and Doctrine: Initiative (from you), with the added proviso that neither of our factions trade the techs we acquire from this deal to any other faction.

Is this acceptable?

I think this is a reasonable deal, although it would breach our tech for tech rule. However potentially the PUT would be a source (as here) of useful techs (such as Env Econ), that they can research faster than we can. And they are less awkward to deal with than the Borg.

Views

It would be nice to respond fairly quickly as the turn will reach them soon and it would be good to receive the tech next turn.

[Flubber]

I would accept the deal-- should I send them a message to that effect ??

[Hercules]

Yes

[Mark123jansen]

Accept it

[Flubber]

I sent a message accepting the deal but it seems that events have overtaken the PUT so it will be interesting to see what happens

Oh and I received no messages about our vote in planetary council

[Hercules]

It was from Honghu to me.

[Hercules]

Communication with the Hive

Dear Captain Hercules,

Thanks for getting back to me. We look forward to more communications with the
PEACE regarding trade and cooperations. Also I would like to inform you that
the Hive has offered the CyCon's a pact. It is expected that the CC will
accept it the next turn.

Ambassador HongHu
> Hello comrade Honghu,
>
> We are canvassing opinion re the council. I think it very likely that
> our friends the Hive will get our vote. Seeing that we are in Pact with
> you.
>
> Cap'n Hercules


There might be a problem here. If the CC attack us then we would be asking the Hive to ally with us against the CC as per Pact assumption.

Should we inform the Hive of our apprehension and the diplomatic consequences

and maybe ascertain their views.

One for Ambassador Flubber to negotiate

Honghu appears to be the new Amnbassador for the Hive.

email is hhu003@mchsi.com

[foolish_icarus]

yes, tell them about the hostility the Cycon has historically shown us, maybe even drop a few hints about their potential agressiveness (but probably don't want to come out about that boat we saw, considering the circumstances under which we learned of it)

[Hercules]

Just to make our situation worse. This from Archaic.

After having reviewed the turn...I'm deciding to not go through with this
trade. The agreement does not suit me. I do not feel Doc Init and Applied
Physics in any way make a fair trade for Ecol Eng.

Dean Archaic


----Original Message Follows----
From: "cathal.mullaghan"
Reply-To: cathal.mullaghan@ntlworld.com
To: Archaic
Subject: Re PUT PEACE dip
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:49:39 +0000

Hi Dean Archaic,

Before you finish your turn, I hope GT communicated to you or that you
are aware that we were to tech trade, Ecol eng for Doc Init and Applied
Physics. Or if you have Applied Physics some other tech. I hope you can
forward this turn.

Cap'n Hercules

I wonder has he been nobbled by the Cycon. I think we need to protest about this reneging on a deal.

This now puts the Hive situation in a new light because they are within 1 turn of discovering Ecol Eng. So we would need to perhaps make that a trading us Ecol eng a condition to secure our vote.

[Hercules]

In view of the time extension to tonight (which I feel is not long enough) and the absence of an indication by Ambassador Flubber that he has contacted the HIVE, PUT or the Drones, I sent this to Ambassador Honghu

Hi Comrade Honghu,

Our pirate members are mostly away over the Christmas period. We had
asked our Ambassador Flubber to contact you on two matters. But there is
no indication in our private forum that he has done so.

The two issues on which we need to know your views are obvious.

1 In the game, the AI version of the Glorious Hive, has declared
vendetta on Cycon as a result of our PACT. We are asking you as PACT
partners to maintain that stance. In other words to be at vendetta with
the Cycon.

2 In the voting for Planetary Council because the PUT have voted for the
Drones, our 33 votes can swing things either way. Because of recent
events we wondered how you would assist us if you assist you.

Ambassador Flubber would use flowery language.

PS I have not contacted the Drones on this matter.

Cap'n Hercules

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Hercules
In view of the time extension to tonight (which I feel is not long enough)

PEACE is not unique in having most participants on an extended Xmas break.

I'll extend the deadline to midnight GST on the 29th - that gves players taking a long weekend a chance to get back

G.

[Hercules]

Noticed this from Drogue in the Rec Comms

Also, I don't accept we will take a relations hit. We have explained previously our problems with PEACE to faction leaders, and on the whole, they seem to have been accepted.

.

So when did all of this take place?

Perhaps we need a PR assault.