Debate: Policy re: Morgan

[GeneralTacticus]

Launch military action. Murder. Death. Kill.

(well, the DoPO needs something to actually do )

Nononono. You already get flame mindworms. I need something to do other than twiddle my thumbs and vote in polls.

[moomin]

It's not like this is the Hive - we don't need to stamp him out like he was cancer. Would a pact-enabling FM in-turn be considered cheating?

[GeneralTacticus]

Anyhow, doesn't this give us an added incentive to expand east? We need to block the chockpoint with our own territory, or he'll sneak a pod right into our southern heartlands.

We only really need one or two more bases in the East, to solidify our our territory and stop him getting through - the value of the land ther eisn't that stellar anyway.

It's not like this is the Hive - we don't need to stamp him out like he was cancer.

He'd be more useful as an intact submissive than an ally.

Would a pact-enabling FM in-turn be considered cheating?

You mean only using FM while we were in contact to secure the Pact? Probably.

[moomin]

Yeah, that's what I mean. I always thought of it as somewhat less than honest diplomacy

[moomin]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
He'd be more useful as an intact submissive than an ally.

Wouldn't eveyone?

Still, that's not an option for now - our forces are nothing to write home about and there is a lot of difficult and dangerous territory between us and him. For the time being, having him as an ally is quite acceptable.

If you think we should start to gear up for more ambitious projects, perhaps you ought to campaign for that?

[DeathByTheSword]

i would like to see that our DPO starts asking for some military units from the DBP so that when the **** hits the fan we are ready you never know

[GeneralTacticus]

Still, that's not an option for now - our forces are nothing to write home about and there is a lot of difficult and dangerous territory between us and him. For the time being, having him as an ally is quite acceptable.

That's why I said LATER.

i would like to see that our DPO starts asking for some military units from the DBP so that when the **** hits the fan we are ready you never know

Wait at least until Impact weapons. Then we can build a force that willa actually be useful.

[moomin]

Yeah, from now on we should probably keep some troops at standby. Right now, though, I think we should concentrate eveything on getting the VW. It's not like Morgan is an immediate military threat - we are fortunate to have found him instead of some madman like Yang, Santiago or Miriam.

[DeathByTheSword]

i check if we start building the VW in NA right now and use the AA we can get him in 17 turns that would mean rushing it in around 10 but NA will grow soon so we can have it within 10 turns is my belief IF we rush and use alien artifact

[AdamTG02]

I approve of TKG's plan. Pacting with Morgan would get our commerce off to a strong start, and ensure us an ally should we run afoul of Believers and/or Hive. My own preference is to try and make a Pact as soon as possible, and to replace our explorers with Probe Teams and transports. Once we have no combat units out of our territory, we can switch to FM. If Morgan won't Pact until then, fine, but if we initiate FM after the Pact, it will extend the alliance's lifespan.

Should we be in a position in the future to make Morgan a submissive, all we'll have to do is switch to Green or Planned, and let monopoly capitalism's nature assert itself.

[Lemmy]

Now that we can build probe teams, i have no problem with switching to old explorer units for probe teams, although a bit expensive to build, if we switch to FM it will certainly be worth it.

[Method]

plus, we'd the extra income from pact commerce

[Frankychan]

Hmmm, good proposals everyone.

Okay, maybe my idea of making him our "piggy bank" was a little premature.

I DONT think we should switch to FM just because of all the headaches we are going to encounter with the drones and military. Better to leave it as is and then switch to Planned later on.

How many military units do we have to protect our cities?

[GeneralTacticus]

I was giving some thought last night to the possibility of attacking Morgan and making him a submissive, and it probably wouldn't be that hard (of course, we can't even being making plans until we have him infiltrated). A few impact rovers, infantry and some garrisons, we should be able to grab a base or two, and he'll probably surrender. This is, of course, all hypothetical as yet.

[FlameFlash]

infiltrate and keep as ally... we should try to remain honorable and be a trade partner to him... not stab him in the back... if there are any other factions on Planet left they may not look too kindly on us if we stab a friend in the back during a treaty...