Chiron Security Force

[Maniac]

And if you were referring to the P4 and not the CP, P4 (or at least I in my original manifest) had economic views which would be considered moderately left on Old early 21th century Earth, but which can't be accurately represented due to the black&white SE system we have.

/me crawls back into his a-party-al cocoon...

[lucky22]

Originally posted by TKG


true that it may have started as debating, it was definitely bickering

*cough*ARCHAIC*cough*
*cough*LUCKY*cough*
*cough*_{to some extent}PANDEMONIAK*cough*



i'm not saying you shouldn't start a party (well, maybe i am ) but i just don't think you'll find it as useful as you think

NGOs definitely seem to promote more reason and more substantive discussion with less pure contradiction and sniping. Pure contradiction and sniping are less enjoyable for role-play than one tends to think in the heat of the moment at the keyboard. The current climate makes NGOs and parties more indistinguishable than ever, of course.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak


I can see the CCCP has found another ennemy...

Y'know, if we were to boil it down to just the issues the CSF is ant-CCCP on just the thought control. Of course the old P4 differed from the CCCP only on the use of free market economics. Those shouting matches really were more about individuals than parties, ultimately.

[Hercules]

Lucky22:

NGOs definitely seem to promote more reason and more substantive discussion with less pure contradiction and sniping. Pure contradiction and sniping are less enjoyable for role-play than one tends to think in the heat of the moment at the keyboard. The current climate makes NGOs and parties more indistinguishable than ever, of course.

A striking and provocative comment.

[Frankychan]

I think the Pro-Hive Movement (PHM) and the Chiron Security Force will get along nicely.

[by the way, the Pro-Hive movement is NOT a party!]

[Pandemoniak]

We are not againt using the Eudadomic society choice to improve research, cash flow, and mineral production, but we do not avoacte using it during war time.

Lucky, *that* shocked me.
Anyone who says the future goal of the UN Peacekeepers is not the happiness of people and the peacekeeping is -if not the ennemy of the CCCP- at least my ennemy.

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus


NO REASON!? Though Control is the ultimate extension and the logical conclusion point of despotism. It totally denies freedom of thought to citizens, reducing them to nothing more than bags of chemicals who produce and consume resources. Do you really want to see the UN - the only faction on Planet to hold freedom as it's foremost goal - dragged down to the level of the Hive?

What? by not implementing Thought Control, we are robbing the citizens of the very security and democracy that the UN Charter fights for!

Democracy and Thought Control will go hand in hand and with a Planned Economy, not only will we ensure fellow Peacekeepers a free life, but we will also guarantee the security and fruitfulness our society can afford them.

[GeneralTacticus]

What? by not implementing Thought Control, we are robbing the citizens of the very security and democracy that the UN Charter fights for!

By implementing Though Control, we are denying our citizens the fundamental right to think and believe as they wish.

Democracy and Thought Control will go hand in hand and with a Planned Economy, not only will we ensure fellow Peacekeepers a free life, but we will also guarantee the security and fruitfulness our society can afford them.

Please explain how robbing people of their freedom of thought allows the existence of democracy and freedom.

[Frankychan]

We are not "robbing" our citizens the freedom of thought, but rather expanding their thought processes through neurochemical 'encouragement'.

The implementation of Thought Control will allow everyone to see how strong one single idea backed up by hundreds of minds and bodies can be. An untold amount of resources, effort, and energy is wasted by constant bickering and arguing. But with Thought Control in place, everything will be unified into one single drive.

This unification of thoughts with the implementation of Thought Control will give the citizens more freedom to see past personal stereotypes and beliefs and transcend to 'group awareness'!

T.C. and Democracy go hand in hand.

[Frankychan]

Freedom is arbitrary and ethereal.

[GeneralTacticus]

We are not "robbing" our citizens the freedom of thought, but rather expanding their thought processes through neurochemical 'encouragement'.

By it's very nature, TC denies people the freedom to think for themselves, even if they do not notice it themselves.

The implementation of Thought Control will allow everyone to see how strong one single idea backed up by hundreds of minds and bodies can be. An untold amount of resources, effort, and energy is wasted by constant bickering and arguing. But with Thought Control in place, everything will be unified into one single drive.

Now where have we heard this before? This takes us right back to the good old days of Stalin, Hitler and Mao.

This unification of thoughts with the implementation of Thought Control will give the citizens more freedom to see past personal stereotypes and beliefs and transcend to 'group awareness'!

A group is an artificial and arbitary entity; it cannot think for itself or be aware.

T.C. and Democracy go hand in hand.

T.C. reverses democracy; the government does not hold power because people support it, but rather, people support the government because it is in power.

Freedom is arbitrary and ethereal.

Ethereal, yes. Arbitary, no. And simply because it is not something tangible does not mean it is not real, nor that it is not precious.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Pandemoniak

Anyone who says the future goal of the UN Peacekeepers is not the happiness of people and the peacekeeping is -if not the ennemy of the CCCP- at least my ennemy.

I'm with you here, actually, Pan. The Eudaimonia policy comment got right by me. I'm going to go with "opponent", just because of my previous involvements and conflicts. In the end our victory can only be in the implementation of humanist policy over the preferences of our new cabal of consciousless thugs, though. In this case, preventing the use of nerve stapling, thought control and punishment spheres.

If one's existential choice is a machine-like ethic that is one thing, denial of that choice for the individual moral consciousness is as unacceptable as land-lordery, certainly.

[Pandemoniak]

[Frankychan]

Ah,

The 'Group' is the single most powerful entity on Planet right now. The mass of unsatisfied Peacekeepers band together to collect their scattered and miniscule power and coalesce it into one single universal strength. The group is not "artificial", it merely transcends that which we cannot see or hear or feel.

Now where have we heard this before? This takes us right back to the good old days of Stalin, Hitler and Mao.

True, those were evil and misdirected individuals....but would you rather have 10,000 bickering and dischordant voices all trying to be right, or 1 single harmonious voice that calms and pacifies untold millions?

T.C. reverses democracy; the government does not hold power because people support it, but rather, people support the government because it is in power.

The government is formed "by the people". Elected officials are appointed by the people and these elected officials steer the populace with Thought Control. Think of TC as a tool that one would use to tweak society so that it (society) may reach its true potential. Democracy uses TC whether people like it or not. In the 2000's, a crude form of Thought Control was in place.....it was called "Mass Media".

[GeneralTacticus]

The 'Group' is the single most powerful entity on Planet right now. The mass of unsatisfied Peacekeepers band together to collect their scattered and miniscule power and coalesce it into one single universal strength. The group is not "artificial", it merely transcends that which we cannot see or hear or feel.

A group cannot think for itself, nor does it have any seperate existance. It exists solely as a collection of individuals, nothing more.

True, those were evil and misdirected individuals....but would you rather have 10,000 bickering and dischordand voices all trying to be right, or 1 single harmonious voice that calms and pacifies untold millions?

That would depend on whether the 1 voice actually was right. And there would be no way to ensure that.

The government is formed "by the people". Elected officials are appointed by the people and these elected officials steer the populace with Thought Control.

*SIGH* A democracy becomes entirely nonfunctional when TC is implemented, because it means the government controls the people, not the other way around.

Think of TC as a tool that one would use to tweak society so that it (society) may reach its true potential.

But who decides what the 'true potential' of society really is? Hitler thought it would be reached by racial purification and extermination. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot though they could reach it by 'weeding out the class enemy'. In the case of TC, it is highly likely that whoever wields it will make similar errors... and there will be no way imaginable to halt and repair the damage, short of an outside invasion.

EDIT: that was supposed to be 'likely'.

Democracy uses TC whether people like it or not. In the 2000's, a crude form of Thought Control was in place.....it was called "Mass Media".

Do we have to like it? We're here to escape the mistakes of Earth, not to repeat them on a larger scale.