Suggestion : simplification of polls

[Darkness' Edge]

I agree with everything Maniac and Hercules said.

Pande - I really don't see how they'd save time. They're another batch of jobs which we have to fill. Considering we have to allow Justices to also be Directors because we have so few citizens, this seems a bit ridiculous. And then, if they're still to poll the people, which is the idea of a democracy game, then those polls still have to be made - whether by a governor or by the DoBP.

While we still have so few cities, the DoBP may as well make these polls. Otherwise we'll be spreading the perfectly manageable work of the DoBP over a whole load of portfolios, to be filled by citizens we don't have.

Keep in mind also that the C3DG, with all its members, at no stage implemented city governors. Only when they had a ton of cities did they implement regional governors - and the size of one of their regions wouldn't be much smaller than our entire empire now.

[DeathByTheSword]

i am also against city governers but regional governers i am all for but i dont know if it is the right time we would only have on region

[Hercules]

Yes I am all for regional governors at the right time

[Darkness' Edge]

Originally posted by Hercules
Yes I am all for regional governors at the right time

I am, in due course. Once we have as many cities as the C3DG does, the job will become too much for the DoBP - and then we will need regional governors to handle the micromanagement. At that time, we may wish to consider merging the DoBP and the DoIE into one portfolio, with all the regional governors doing both jobs, and answering to the one director.

I also agree with what DBTS just said.

[Pandemoniak]

Do you read my posts ? It says clearly that governors have a roleplaying part, are not needed, must be considered as aids to DoTC, DIE plus optionnaly to the DoBP. Let me put it clearly :
GOVERNORS ARE FUN !
These polls concern both directorate of TC and IE, so to be sure theres no confusion (like one thought the other was doing it, or they both do a poll with different results), we give that task to common citizens, whom all work is to make one poll a month, and can have a nice signature syaing : "Governor of [CITYNAME]"

About polling for general directions or for every tile, I agree there is a debate. My arguments is that asking for a general direction is not enough precise. We can only adopt this if we change the constitution (erase the line "Directors must poll all major decisions, such as where to place the workers in a particular city. However, they can act on minor decisions without polling the people" ) or see terraforming and worker placements as minor decisions. Only the court or a referundum can decide such a thing.

[Maniac]

Then we need a referendum.
Governors are fun indeed. We could start a thread asking for volunteers, but I doubt we will get enough responses.

[Hercules]

Heavy stuff. But reform is needed. I need to look again at these proposals

[Darkness' Edge]

I'm not arguing that reform isn't needed. I'm arguing that it's not need YET.

Creating regions is good for roleplay - the C3DG proves that. But we currently don't have enough cities to do this. By December, we should have reached this.

We also don't have enough citizens to make city governors work - not to mention that that would become unmanageable within a couple of months, as we get more and more cities.

Wait until we've got the cities and citizens to make this work - and then do it properly.

[DeathByTheSword]

I am totally against city governers. i am for the idea of region governers but i dont not if it is the time for it but if someone comes with a good idea for the constitition and polls it then i will look at it!

[Pandemoniak]

DBTS you're totally against governors, but you just wrote in another thread that it would be fun to have a in-game location in the sign-up thread. Havent you understand yet that it is exaclty what I'm proposing ?

[DeathByTheSword]

...now you are talking about to tinks.....i think.....i am not for the idea of letting on person control one base but i am for one person controlling multiple bases......and about that in-game location that just states where you live. do you want to make a city counsel of the people that live in the certain bases? If not then I am completely lost.....

[Pandemoniak]

Governors are just aids to DoTC and DoEI and help simplifying the game, they do not control the base. The rest is roleplaying.

[DeathByTheSword]

i am still against one governer per base. i propose that we split the current faction up in two regions that then be led by governers.....IF the reform passes

[Pandemoniak]

Then you should vote Merge Terraforming and Worker placement under something else and write in.