Save the Environment Party (STEP) or The Green Party (GP)

[Hercules]

This is from page 2 of first referred link.

MarkG

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btw, there is currently no check if someone is in two teams at the same time. the leaders are responsible for
authorizing anyone into their teams

so I don't think it is solved. I mean TKG how many email addys do you have?

[Hercules]

There is something not right.

1. The Governers poll was continued even though it was unconstitutional. I thought it was being stopped after the doubts expressed by DE and others.
I am reluctant to launch a constitutional court case, mostly because defendants tend to leave the game. So hope this can be solved amicably and be open to re-nominations and a new poll.

[Maniac]

What?? Now I am elected with the most votes? No way Jose!

[DeathByTheSword]

look the governers are elected but not for which region right? I am waiting for TKG to start polling on regions and if he wants new governers elections but all to be done before the end of next week please

[Drogue]

But they were elected for each region. Thus only GT and Joeno were contesting a Governorship. Otherwise Joeno may have got more votes than one of the other Governor Elects. The elections should have been stopped, because they were unconstitutional.

[GeneralTacticus]

In the interests of efficiency, why don't we just ask TKG if he will approve the regions currently marked out and just let things stay as they are if he does? That way there will be no need for a repoll.

[Drogue]

Because I would have liked a little more discussion about it, and I think the number of Xenobananas shows that some people agree. Besides, I think we should have more regions (5 or 6). If TKG decides he want's to however, it is in the consitution that he's allowed to.

Also, because it sets a precident for future Governor elections. I don't think it's practical to elect the DIA and Governors at the same time, because if the new DIA want's to change the regions, he can't until it's too late.

[Method]

Originally posted by Hercules
This is from page 2 of first referred link.

btw, there is currently no check if someone is in two teams at the same time. the leaders are responsible for
authorizing anyone into their teams

so I don't think it is solved.

if the leaders are stupid enough to authorise someone who's already on another team into their team, it's their own fault

I mean TKG how many email addys do you have?

what?

now, regarding governors, regions and re-elections, i'll figure out some kind of poll(s). i just need to get caught up on what's happening a bit first.

[Drogue]

Since Archaic has shown his interest to go to FM as quickly as possible, I would like to start the ball rolling by stating that STEP is completely against using FM in any way shape or form. The culture of greed it creates wrecks our fragile eco-system, and creates untold havok. For a link to arguments about FM, and ecology in general, either look on earlier pages of STEP or go to the Internal Affaires Office.

Despite my belief that this should be about issues and effects rather than making it personal, Archaic has lowered the tone of discussion. He has shown how he reacts in the face of opposition. Please try and ignore this, look at the facts and make your judgement on that. And remember, we're not just here to win, we're here to spead Peacekeeper ideals and to set an example for other, don't make Planet pay the price for our greed.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Drogue


Despite my belief that this should be about issues and effects rather than making it personal, Archaic has lowered the tone of discussion.

Well, I agree with you on the issues all the way. As far as Archaic goes, while one could hardly consider him gracious, he actually is a little bit less of a baboon psycho recently. He was quite a special lad to reason with at the beginning.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by lucky22
He actually is a little bit less of a baboon psycho recently. He was quite a special lad to reason with at the beginning.

I don't see why he has to insult people though. He's obviously quite intelligent. I guess everyone reacts differently to being challenged

[Method]

you missed the good old days of the merchant exchange

check the term 3 dir

EDIT: i found it http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=60409
ooh, the good old days of party politics . back then archaic had a line in his signature that said "this post represents the views of archaic, and does not necessarily reflect those of the P4, or its members"

[Drogue]

Ohhhh I like it now I see why some people have had enough of 'to FM of not to FM' debates. However, just wait 'til Archaic posts the poll (and if he posts it while I'm at my Oxford interview I won't be happy! ) then the fireworks will fly

[Hercules]

You mean he's improved from way back.!

He did respond to the question about the kind of world he wants to live in on planet. He is undecided between Thought Control or maybe Cybernetic. It depended on the circumstances prevailing at the time.

Now here are the interesting questions from the Save The Environment Party perspective:

Take Thought Control: Say we as a party get to the stage (with us as leaders on Planet or otherwise) where the planet is secure. One weak faction left; Eco Damage not just under control but well contained; We have saved the environment.
The AC manual says for TC,
'significant resources are required to maintain this level of control':
+2 morale,+2police, +2 probe,-3 support.

But there would be no other threatening faction left, so would that level of support be needed and easily provided without more Eco Dam ?

The AC manual for Cybernetic world: 'computers taking over and freeing humans for more creative tasks', +2 efficiency, +2 planet, + 2 research, -3 police. The suggestion here is freeing humans for more creative tasks. So humans distanced from human manual tasks and front line interaction.
This scenario could see the planet saved and doing well and with Telepathic Matrix, but what about the ethos of the planet inhabitants by that time?

A Eudaimonic future tends to be everyones preferred choice (bar Archaic).
The question is can the STEP party accept these 3 possible futures (and default) as legitmate, as long as the environment of the planet is secure and harmonious, If so then STEP may also have to think about a whole life policy beyond environmental issues.

What is clear though is that few, including me, have thought in depth about the future scenarios on planet, beyond survival and basic conquest.

[Hercules]

Just questions